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Book Review; Hitler' Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi Welfare State
Self | 5/26/2019 | Gotz Aly

Posted on 05/26/2019 5:02:34 PM PDT by LS

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To: dp0622

My hat’s off to you. Everything you say, I agree.


21 posted on 05/26/2019 6:47:04 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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To: LS

People are willing to “follow orders” when it means they keep their jobs, and their pensions. Not really talking about concentration camp goons here, just everyday functionaries and bureaucrats.

When the local politicians say “stand down” for example time and again we’ve seen the law enforcement stand idly by as normal people are assaulted. Sound familiar? It should.

Strangely our universities have the tenure system, ostensibly they cannot be fired for holding certain positions, or saying certain things - yet they have rolled over en masse for all kinds of crazy stuff. That makes no sense.


22 posted on 05/26/2019 6:48:11 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US

Especially when the horrific stuff is taking place hundreds of miles from your cities.

Out of sight, out of mind.


23 posted on 05/26/2019 6:51:03 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: LS

I liked your review and agree with it. I read another book some years ago, “Hitler’s Willing Accomplices” proving that the majority of German civilians backed Hitler’s actions against the Jews and turned a blind eye towards the 10,000 concentration camps where million were murdered.


24 posted on 05/26/2019 6:54:39 PM PDT by Paulus Invictus (Paulus)
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To: LS

So, how about we -

1/ Forgive the college loan debts of the current tribe who are living in mom’s basement, then
2/ Supply dope at wholesale cost and put ‘em on the welfare roles.
3/ Then, increase for welfare benefits by 50% for both the domestic and “undocumented” types.

At that point, have we reached critical mass to where it would be no big deal for the BDS and Antifa slime to agree to ship the “Evil Joosh” off to G-d knows where and confiscate their wealth?


25 posted on 05/26/2019 7:10:03 PM PDT by QBFimi (It is not your responsibility to finish the work of perfecting the world... Tarfon)
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To: LS

Thank you for making us aware of this book. I have quite a few books on dictators and dictatorships, so I am eager to acquire books that examine the more quotidian aspects of life in those regimes.


26 posted on 05/26/2019 7:31:58 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: LS

So the Nazis started to lose the war when they ran out of rich people from whom to redistribute?


27 posted on 05/26/2019 7:56:44 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-)
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To: QBFimi

4/ Continue the illusion of growth via deficit spending and ever increasing national debt.


28 posted on 05/26/2019 8:11:23 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: LS

Does the author touch on the Nazi’s policy of looting the central banks of conquered nations and hauling the gold and other assets back to the Reich?


29 posted on 05/26/2019 11:22:17 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie (Ca)
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To: Bonemaker

ROFL!!!


30 posted on 05/27/2019 12:28:44 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR)
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To: SoConPubbie

Bro if you dont know the history of The Versailles Treaty (which i mentioned) or the rampant poverty and inflation in Germany (which I mentioned) then I don’t have a month worth of course work to teach you.

You seem well learned so I kinda figure you know those.

Funny, everyone else who replied to my comment (besides the obviously biased poster of the thread) agreed with my presentation.

Enjoy your Memorial Day!!


31 posted on 05/27/2019 12:31:49 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR)
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To: LS
Shrewdly, Hitler and Germany, by enhancing the prosperity of the domestic civilian economy, helped to prevent the collapse in morale that precipitated Germany's surrender in World War I. Yet Hitler and Germany still failed to develop and apply a coherent strategy for victory. As in World War I, Germany won a string of battles early on but then fell to an Allied coalition made overwhelming powerful by American participation. A blockade and economic warfare were major Allied successes.

To avoid such stringencies in World War II, Germany's Admiral Erich Raeder proposed taking the Mediterranean, then Egypt and the rest of the Mideast, and extending German bases down the east coast of Africa to South Africa. By the interdiction of air and sea travel, Germany would deprive the British of control of those countries and regions and endanger their dominant position in India and South Asia. This would have gained vast new resources for Germany while depriving Britain of them.

Moreover, with access to Allied supplies lost, the Soviet Union would have been weakened and might have been forced to accommodate to German demands. A German invasion of the USSR might have been unnecessary, or it would have been easier and more certain of success.

32 posted on 05/27/2019 12:55:14 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Yes. At length.


33 posted on 05/27/2019 5:50:26 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: rightwingcrazy

pretty much. Course, there were the real military defeats as well.


34 posted on 05/27/2019 5:51:54 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Army Air Corps

You are welcome. Warning, the middle 100 pp are really dry.


35 posted on 05/27/2019 5:52:46 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Paulus Invictus

Yes. another good one.


36 posted on 05/27/2019 5:53:21 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: dp0622

“...The Versailles Treaty is more to blame for WWII than the average German....” [dp0622, post 4]

“Yep.” [mrmeyer, post 13]

Thoroughly misunderstands the First World War and misstates the aftermath.

Plundering the conquered lands was not some uniquely goofy notion that occurred to NSDAP leaders one morning, after yet one more dreary late night at the Berghof, watching American Western films, sipping tea and nibbling cake, and struggling not to nod off in the middle of Adolf’s monologues.

It was explicit Third Reich strategy and military policy, foreseen from the outset. It was also firmly grounded in German (Prussian) history & culture. Happened during WW One, to such an extent that Left-leaning History Channel/American Heroes Channel content providers have mentioned it repeatedly.

The Kaiser’s army and the German people lived high on the hog until the Allied naval blockade produced results. Unterseebooten of the Kaiserliche Marine attempted to starve UK out of the conflict, but failed to by a margin of a few weeks only.

1914-1918 illustrates the messiness and ambiguity that attend conflict between a maritime power and a land power. Blockades are unavoidably slow & relentlessly cruel.

The assertion that the 1919 Versailles Treaty was uniquely unfair and immoral is Progressive revisionist hoo-hah: conservatives ought to have better judgment than to be taken in by such propaganda.

Reparations & punitive demands had been a central feature of European conflicts, treaty negotiations, and political maneuvering for centuries - since before most people became literate there. What miracle in international affairs and Great-Power gamesmanship happened in the early 20th century that would have caused those countries to abandon the only rules they knew?

Forum members appear to have missed the fact that the Progressives were thoroughly in love with Italian Fascism, and, later, German National Socialism. They ached to bring about similar changes in the United States and Britain, flacking the New Deal, begging for more-radical policies, and later agitating for “peace.”

Until Hitler attacked the Soviet Union.


37 posted on 05/27/2019 12:18:04 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: LS
There is probably a book on this, especially one that would compare these age groups you mention in multiple revolutions.

Haha, sounds like an excellent thesis for a PhD candidate somewhere, pump it!
38 posted on 05/27/2019 4:22:34 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: alloysteel
Exactly what we see in Venezuela today

And Norway, and Denmark. Oh wait.

39 posted on 05/27/2019 4:27:50 PM PDT by Jim Noble (1)
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To: LS

“Already a massive confiscation of Jewish wealth was under way through taxes, special taxes, elimination of all Jewish savings in anything except German bonds, confiscation of all Jewish-owned works of art, jewelry, or other assets, all of which were sold immediately with all money going back to the Reich. These and other “atonement” payments increased the German treasury by 6% but Aly’s calculations show that ultimately a whopping 9% of ALL Germany’s budget came from the Jews. “

Socialism based on race, sound familiar?

Cross out “jews” and write in “white males”...


40 posted on 05/27/2019 5:19:39 PM PDT by JPJones (More Tariffs, less income tax.)
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