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Washington Senate passes bill that would keep Trump off 2020 ballot unless he releases tax returns
The Hill ^ | 3/16/19 | John Bowden

Posted on 03/17/2019 3:49:48 AM PDT by Libloather

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To: Jim Noble

No state law can violate the Constitution. The Supremes overturn state laws all the time. The US Supreme Court can nullify laws that are unconstitutional if appropriately challenged by a person or entity with standing.


61 posted on 03/17/2019 5:57:26 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist ( (Be Nice To Your Kids. They Will Pick Out Your Nursing Home))
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To: Libloather

It’s not constitutional, but NJ has done the same. If allowed to stand, it would be the same as nullification, which on two occasions (not counting the Civil War) was struck down (Adams, Jackson).

If allowed to stand, it would affect the popular vote, which may be their goal-—to deny Trump a popular vote victory.


62 posted on 03/17/2019 5:58:13 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: 48th SPS Crusader

Excepting that Tax returns are BOTH privileged.....and NOT required under Federal Rules.


63 posted on 03/17/2019 5:58:24 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The admission records for their children’s colleges, and all paperwork associated with the selection process for the entire incoming freshman class that year. Same with pre-school for their children. And all receipts for small purchases, to ensure they paid sales tax for all purchases, especially out-of-state purchases. After all, we have to anticipate new scandals as well as old ones.


64 posted on 03/17/2019 6:01:12 AM PDT by Bernard (We will stop calling you fake news when you stop being fake news.)
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To: Jim Noble

It’s the ridiculous requirement of submitting tax returns to be allowed on the ballot.

What’s next? A requirement for publishing full front and rear nude photos to be allowed on the ballot.....that makes exactly the same sense as the tax thing.

Do you think that would be constitutional and pass the SCOTUS?

Or a requirement to be a specific gender to be on the ballot, or shorter than a specified height.

It won’t pass muster.....


65 posted on 03/17/2019 6:07:33 AM PDT by Bobalu (12 diet Cokes and a fried chicken...)
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To: Libloather

Why not just pass a law keeping any candidate off the ballot unless he/she/it is a sworn communist? That’s the way the totalitarians do it, isn’t it? And it would be just as likely to withstand a constitutional challenge.


66 posted on 03/17/2019 6:13:37 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Jim Noble

Article 2 does say this:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress

But Amendment 14 says this:
But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, ..., is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.


So, is keeping someone off the ballot this way an abridgment of their right to vote?

Also I would point out Amendment 12:

Amendment 12
The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President,..and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;


I note that it says “sign the lists,” not “sign the ballots.” To me that says that states can’t replace electors who don’t vote for their pledged candidate (unlike what was done in 2016) - if anything they would have to replace the entire slate of electors...and even that is iffy — the lists go to the President of the Senate - it doesn’t say anything about officers of the State being allowed to look at them first.


67 posted on 03/17/2019 6:19:12 AM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: Jim Noble

This law has nothing to do with electors. This is about who can be on their ballot.


68 posted on 03/17/2019 6:22:07 AM PDT by Licensed-To-Carry (MAGA, and build that wall.)
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To: Libloather
"Washington Senate passes bill that would keep Trump off 2020 ballot unless he sings "Time Warp" in Times Square"


69 posted on 03/17/2019 6:23:13 AM PDT by moovova
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To: Vision

“The federal government should pass a bill stopping any funding to WA state until a corrupt Mueller fishing investigation is done on every politician who voted for this.”

That will be a neat trick what with the RATs in charge of the House.


70 posted on 03/17/2019 6:43:59 AM PDT by vette6387 (Fire Mueller)
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To: Libloather

It’s all good. I believe they did the very same thing to Hussein because of his missing birth certificate.
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Surely you make this statement in jest? I do not recall any states requiring Hussein to submit his BC. Many secretaries of state were actually sued to force them to determine Obozo’s NBC bonafides before putting him on the state ballot but they refused and the courts were worthless. Natural born citizenship is a Constitutional pre-requisite to becoming president. There is no such requirement regarding tax returns, medical records, school/college transcripts, etc. Indeed, there are severe penalties for unauthorized disclosure of these private records.


71 posted on 03/17/2019 6:45:23 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: Bobalu
These laws don't matter. The states that are passing them will vote Democrat no matter what. These states already are part of that EC compact, anyway. My fondest hope is that Trump wins a slight majority of the popular vote and all those states are required by their laws to award their EC votes to Trump. Without drastic electoral reform, however, that is not apt to happen. I cannot see how the Social Democrats can't fake a popular majority from now on. No matter how many votes they invent they will all be counted and the Republicans will only grumble sotto voce and not challenge. The Republicans, and that includes some we consider to be solid, believe in their hearts that the Social Democrat Party is the natural and proper ruling party in America and prefer to be a comfortable and well paid-off minority. If the SDs "win" the 2020 elections thst comfortable minority will, after an interval, find itself, along with the losers in the internecine power struggle of the SDs, the subjects of the inevitable Show Trials.
72 posted on 03/17/2019 6:45:39 AM PDT by arthurus (ssd5775)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Portland, Oregan is rapidly assuming the title of Reddest City in America. That’s RED in it’s historical meaning with the hammer and sickle.


73 posted on 03/17/2019 6:47:13 AM PDT by arthurus (ssj555)
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To: Libloather; All

Red States can play the same game too. Remember there are more Red States than Blue States.


74 posted on 03/17/2019 6:51:49 AM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Ciaphas Cain

Righty oh!

‘The Constitution of the United States, Article I, Section 9, paragraph 3 provides that: “No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law will be passed.”’


75 posted on 03/17/2019 6:58:58 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: Libloather

Yet another blue state doing anti-democratic stuff to disenfranchise voting citizens.


76 posted on 03/17/2019 7:00:07 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Jim Noble

This is about saying who may or may not appear on the ballot for office. Not about electors.

Trump would have to have a write-in campaign. If voter vote “straight party Republican” would that suffice for the Republican presidential nominee to get a vote?

Usually independents need to gather X number of signatures to appear on a ballot (primary or general) OR a Party (Green, Commie Red, Liberterian, Constitution, etc) needs to get enough signatures to put its candidates on a ballot.

Do Party candidates who have the Party’s nomination usually have to jump hoops to get on each state’s ballot?

This is a state rejection the national party’s decision on its Party nominee “unless” that chosen candidate meets their law targeted specifically at him.

Expect the law to be repealed in 2021 no matter whether Trump wins or loses in 2020.


77 posted on 03/17/2019 7:05:17 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Denounce DUAC - The Democrats Un-American Activists Committee)
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To: Enlightened1

Dibs on the rope, pitchforks & torches concession.

Franchises available in your area.

Someone else on the rails, feathers and tar? Maybe we could develop some synergy.

</sarc - maybe>


78 posted on 03/17/2019 7:19:08 AM PDT by castlebrew (Gun Control means hitting where you're aiming!))
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To: Libloather

Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Don’t see anything about taxes. I’m just sayin’.


79 posted on 03/17/2019 7:25:29 AM PDT by Captain Compassion (I'm just sayin')
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To: a fool in paradise

“This is about saying who may or may not appear on the ballot for office. Not about electors“

But the “election” is a device ordained by the State Legislature for the purpose of appointing electors. So of course it is about electors - what else do you think it’s about?


80 posted on 03/17/2019 7:25:42 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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