[FLT-bird]

Bubba Ho-Tep:

The March 30 piece is interesting beyond your cherry picking. “Can Government for an instant rest under the imputation of counseling or permitting legislation that raises rebel provinces to power upon the ruins of those that remain faithful, and that secures to the favorable consideration of the civilized world a revolt, whose sole motive was the perpetuation of Slavery?”

That's what they falsely claimed the original 7 seceding states' motive was. We know however what the North's motive was.....money and nothing else. The NY times made that quite clear in their March 30th article. Your only lame attempt at a response was to claim their clear statements as to their own motives were "cherry picking".

[BroJoeK]

Bubba Ho-Tep quoting NYTimes: "...a revolt, whose sole motive was the perpetuation of Slavery?"

FLT-bird: "That's what they falsely claimed the original 7 seceding states' motive was."

Obviously, according to FLT-bird, secessionists themselves were lying when they wrote:

1. "...an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery, has led to a disregard of their obligations, and the laws of the General Government have ceased to effect the objects of the Constitution."
   South Carolina Reasons for Secession, December 24, 1860

2. "It is not at all surprising, while such is the character of the Government of the United States, that it should assume to possess power over all the institutions of the country.
   The agitations on the subject of Slavery in the South are the natural results of the consolidation of the Government.
   Responsibility follows power; and if the people of the North have the power by Congress "to promote the general welfare of the United States," by any means they deem expedient, why should they not assail and overthrow the institution of Slavery in the South? "
   Robert Rhett, South Carolina's Address to the Slaveholding States, December 24, 1860

3. "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery -- the greatest material interest of the world.
   Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth."
   Mississippi Reasons for secession, January 9, 1861

4. "Whereas, the election of Abraham Lincoln and Hannibal Hamlin to the offices of president and vice-president of the United States of America, by a sectional party, avowedly hostile to the domestic institutions and to the peace and security of the people of the State of Alabama, preceded by many and dangerous infractions of the constitution of the United States by many of the States and people of the Northern section, is a political wrong of so insulting and menacing a character as to justify the people of the State of Alabama in the adoption of prompt and decided measures for their future peace and security..."
   Alabama Ordinance of Secession, January 11, 1861

5. "For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery."
   Georgia Reasons for Secession, January 29, 1861

6. "They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.
   For years past this abolition organization has been actively sowing the seeds of discord through the Union, and has rendered the federal congress the arena for spreading firebrands and hatred between the slave-holding and non-slave-holding States."
   Texas Reasons for secession, February 2, 1861.

7. "The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution -- African slavery as it exists amongst us -- the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization.
   This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution.
   Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the "rock upon which the old Union would split."
   He was right.
   What was conjecture with him, is now a realized fact."
   Alexander Stephens, Corner Stone Speech, March 21, 1861

Seven out of seven say: slavery.
So, when our Lost Causers tell us it's just "Leftist Academics" revisionism which claims "all about slavery", do they include as "Leftist Academics" these Deep South Fire Eaters who wrote the original secession documents?