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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

You can attempt to make jokes, but the money streams are pretty clear. New York and Washington DC were making huge profits off of Southern produced trade with Europe. They went to war to stop the South from trading directly with Europe and thereby threatening their control of the money and trade.


364 posted on 03/20/2019 2:24:20 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
They went to war to stop the South from trading directly with Europe and thereby threatening their control of the money and trade.

If the southern states had talked about that one-tenth as much as they talked about the threat Lincoln's election posed to slavery, your life would be much easier.

366 posted on 03/20/2019 2:59:08 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Found on another website. Best list I’ve seen so far.

The following list embraces the names, with armaments and troops, of Lincoln’s supply fleet dispatched from New York and Washington to Charleston harbor, for the relief of Fort Sumter:-

Vessels of War
Steam sloop-of-war Pawnee, Captain S. C. Rowan, 10 guns and 200 men. The Pawnee sailed from Washington, with sealed orders, on the morning of Saturday, April 6.
Steam sloop-of-war Powhatan, Captain D. D. Porter, 11 guns and 275 men. The Powhatan sailed from the Brookyln Navy Yard on Saturday afternoon April 6.
Revenue cutter Harriet Lane, Captain J. Faunce, 5 guns and 96 men. On Saturday, April 6, the Harriet Lane exchanged her revenue flag for the United States navy flag, denoting her transfer to the Government naval service, and sailed suddenly on last Monday morning, with sealed orders.

The Steam Transports
Atlantic, 358 troops, composed of Companies A and M of the Second artillery, Companies C and H of the Second infantry, and Company A of sappers and miners from West Point. The Atlantic sailed from the steam at 5 o’clock on Sunday morning last, April 7.
Baltic, 160 troops, composed of Companies C and D, recruits, from Governor’s and Bedloe’s islands. The Baltic sailed from Quarantine at 7o’clock on Tuesday morning last, April 9.
Illinois, 300 troops, composed of Companies B, E, F, G and H, and a detachment from Company D, all recruits from Governor’s and Bedloe’s Islands, together with two companies of the Second infantry, from Fort Hamilton. The Illinois sailed from Quarantine on Tuesday morning at 6 o’clock.

The Steamtugs
Two steamtugs, with a Government official on each, bearing sealed dispatches, were also sent. The Yankee left New York on Monday evening, 8th, and the Uncle Ben on Tuesday night.

The Launches
Nearly thirty of these boats-whose services are most useful in effecting a landing of troops over shoal water, and for attacking a discharging battery when covered with sand and gunny bags- have been taken out by the Powhatan and by the steam transports Atlantic, Baltic and Illinois.

Recapitulation
Vessels Guns Men
Sloop-of-war Pawnee 10 200
Sloop-of-war Powhatan 11 275
Cutter Harriet Lane 5 96
Steam Transport Atlantic 353
Steam Transport Baltic 160
Steam Transport Illinois 300
Steamtug Yankee Ordinary Crew
Steamtug Uncle Ben Ordinary Crew
Total number of vessels 8
Total number of guns (for marine service) 26
Total number of men and troops 1,380

It is understood that several transports are soon to be chartered, and dispatched to Charleston with troops and supplies.
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Those ships that were assigned specifically to Charleston.
The ships assigned were the steam sloop-of-war USS Pawnee, steam sloop-of-war USS Powhatan, transporting motorized launches and about 300 sailors (secretly removed from the Charleston fleet to join in the forced reenforcement of Fort Pickens, Pensacola, Fla.), armed screw steamer USS Pochaontas, Revenue Cutter USS Harriet Lane, steamer Baltic transporting about 200 troops, composed of companies C and D of the 2nd U.S. Artillery, and three hired tug boats. The rest of the ships listed in the New York paper went to Pensacola.


367 posted on 03/20/2019 3:46:27 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
They went to war to stop the South from trading directly with Europe...

Several million bales of cotton left Southern ports and went directly to overseas customers. If that's not trading directly then what is it?

370 posted on 03/20/2019 4:11:13 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp

English Cotton mills were buying Southern Cotton for a long time prior to the Civil War going back to the 1700’s.


371 posted on 03/20/2019 4:13:51 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: DiogenesLamp; Bubba Ho-Tep
DiogenesLamp: "You can attempt to make jokes, but the money streams are pretty clear.
New York and Washington DC were making huge profits off of Southern produced trade with Europe.
They went to war to stop the South from trading directly with Europe and thereby threatening their control of the money and trade."

Democrats in New York and Washington DC were making...

So yet again Lost Causers love to embrace Marxism when they can use it to smear Americans.
Regardless, the truth is New York was then America's premier port but still at least 80% of Deep South cotton shipped directly from Southern ports like New Orleans to their European customers.
On their return trips most of those ships stopped off in New York to warehouse their imports pending sale & shipment nationwide.
Then they returned to their Southern ports awaiting the next cotton harvest.

When Civil War came in 1861 Confederate cotton exports were deleted from US exports, but overall exports lost only 35% and Federal tariff revenues soon recovered, doubling by war's end.

Regardless, DiogenesLamp's claim here that Big City Democrats supported the Civil War only to protect their "money flows from Europe", is not just too simplistic, it's also not supported by any actual data from that time.

387 posted on 03/21/2019 3:51:18 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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