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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Nope. Every time you try to focus the debate on Slavery, I am going to point out that the North kept it's own slavery going, Lincoln protected slavery by supporting the Corwin Amendment, and the US Constitution protected slavery by article IV, section 2, meaning "slavery" was a non issue for why the Northern states invaded the Southern states.

The only question of relevance is why the Northern States invaded the South. I'm not going to let any of you keep the discussion focused on the fake issue of slavery.

It's time we stopped letting people get away with the pretense that they were killing people for love of the black man. That's a lie, and everyone in this discussion knows it.

363 posted on 03/20/2019 2:22:28 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
the North kept it's own slavery going

Where Congress had the power to end slavery, in DC, they did so in 1862. The slave states that did not secede ended slavery on their own without making war on the United States.

US Constitution protected slavery by article IV, section 2, meaning "slavery" was a non issue for why the Northern states invaded the Southern states.

Then why did the states the had a "decent respect to the opinions of mankind" overwhelmingly cite slavery as the reason for their secession?

The only question of relevance is why the Northern States invaded the South.

Because the south made war on the United States by opening fire on Ft. Sumter.

It's time we stopped letting people get away with the pretense that they were killing people for love of the black man. That's a lie, and everyone in this discussion knows it.

As I'm sure you've heard many times, the United States was fighting to preserve the Union against armed insurrection, as authorized by Article 1, Section 15 of the Constitution. The lie is that the south seceded for any other reason than to protect slavery, as literally hundreds of documents they issued at the time make clear, and you're pathologically disingenuous to deny that.

365 posted on 03/20/2019 2:40:12 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("The rat always knows when he's in with weasels."--Tom Waits)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Bubba Ho-Tep; DoodleDawg; rockrr; x
DiogenesLamp: "Nope. Every time you try to focus the debate on Slavery, I am going to point out that the North kept it's own slavery going..."

But only Lost Causers ever distort the true role of slavery in the Civil War by pretending that slavery was "dying out", that secession was not "all about slavery", that slavery didn't play a role in the war itself -- from the refusal of Confederates to officially enlist black soldiers, to Confederate slave-catching in Union states, to Union Contraband, confiscation, emancipation, nearly 200 colored regiments and abolition.

DiogenesLamp: "Lincoln protected slavery by supporting the Corwin Amendment..."

President Lincoln protected slavery where it was lawful, worked to prevent it from expanding into US territories and emancipated slaves when he could as commander in chief.
Corwin was a Democrat lip-service operation joined by a minority of RINOs.
It went nowhere, thanks to Lincoln's non-support.

DiogenesLamp: "the US Constitution protected slavery by article IV, section 2, meaning "slavery" was a non issue for why the Northern states invaded the Southern states."

But slavery was an important issue in why Confederates attacked, declared & waged war against the United States, in Union states & regions.

DiogenesLamp: "The only question of relevance is why the Northern States invaded the South.
I'm not going to let any of you keep the discussion focused on the fake issue of slavery. "

But you yourself keep focusing on slavery -- it's the only thing you really want to talk about in your repeated denials.

As for the Union's reasons for war, in 1861 they were the same reasons as 1775, 1812, 1846, 1898, 1917, 1941 & 2001 among others -- Americans believed we'd been attacked, it was that simple.

DiogenesLamp: "It's time we stopped letting people get away with the pretense that they were killing people for love of the black man.
That's a lie, and everyone in this discussion knows it."

And this is the truly outrageous Big Lie which exposes Lost Causers like DiogenesLamp for what they basically are: Democrat false flag operatives.
Their true purpose here, their raison d'etre is to guarantee not only no reconciliation ever between Northern & Southern Republicans but also to cut-off any potential appeal by Republicans to the black voters whose ancestors hundreds of thousands of Republicans died freeing.

And who would ever accept such a gig if they were not born or married into it?


385 posted on 03/21/2019 3:20:23 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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