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To: BroJoeK; OIFVeteran; FLT-bird; DiogenesLamp; central_va; DoodleDawg
“As OIFVeteran pointed out, the dividing line between our Founders’ somewhat weak abolitionism and 1860s Fire Eater pro-slavery came in roughly 1832, with the Virginia state debates on abolition.”

The bright dividing line was 1832 you say. Prior to that year must be the period the Puritans refer to as the golden era of slavery, the time when stewards - North and South - could use the labor of those bound to service to produce food and fiber without too much public opprobrium.

After 1832 was the dark era of slavery when stewards in the South used the labor of those bound to service to produce food and fiber with considerable opprobrium.

At least for the time being you have dropped the angry attack on a super-majority of the Founding Fathers ("Well... Democrats, whether Antifa or slaveholders, have always been all about the Big Lie — it's how they make their livings.
They are kindred souls, brothers in arms against the truth. Only the lies change, the liars are all the same.”)

262 posted on 03/17/2019 6:21:18 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: jeffersondem
jeffersondem: "The bright dividing line was 1832 you say.
Prior to that year must be the period the Puritans refer to as the golden era of slavery, the time when stewards - North and South - could use the labor of those bound to service to produce food and fiber without too much public opprobrium."

Nonsense, as usual.
Even as late as 1832, Virginia's Richmond Enquirer said of slavery:

By 1856, that same Richmond Enquirer said: There, sir, is your "bright dividing line".
Before 1832 even Southern Founders like Washington, Jefferson & Madison opposed slavery and worked to restrict or abolish it (i.e., Northwest Territories).
In the mean time, Northerners state by state actually did gradually abolish slavery.
By 1832 it was Virginia's "turn" and Virginia balked, refusing to do what, one by one, Northern states (yes, including Pennsylvania) had already done.

After 1832 slavery to Southerners was no longer "the greatest evil" but rather a positive blessing.
Please note the many quotes saying that in my post #259 above.

jeffersondem: "After 1832 was the dark era of slavery when stewards in the South used the labor of those bound to service to produce food and fiber with considerable opprobrium."

Naw… after 1832 Southerners themselves flipped from official opposition to slavery to defending it as a "blessing":

Atlanta Confederacy, 1860:

jeffersondem: "At least for the time being you have dropped the angry attack on a super-majority of the Founding Fathers"

By 1787 most Founders, including Southerners, opposed slavery to the point of restricting and abolishing it where possible.
By 1832 many still believed slavery, "the greatest evil", but the majority of Southerners was already slip-sliding away and beginning to claim slavery a "social, moral and political blessing".

So your term "angry attack" can apply to Democrats who supported slavery, not to Founders who opposed it.

275 posted on 03/18/2019 6:50:21 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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