Posted on 03/10/2019 7:34:32 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
Which explains why Virginian George Washington was nominated & supported by Massachusetts' John Adams for Commander in Chief of the Continental Army in 1775 -- nominated in preference to fellow Northerner Benedict Arnold.
Oh wait...
Once again, on Corwin:
FLT-bird: "He was also only too happy to commit ethnic cleansing and genocide against native people after giving those speeches.
So much for all men being created equal."
The charge of "ethnic cleansing" is based on a body-count of over 1,000 white settlers massacred in Minnisota versus 150 Indians killed.
When it was over Lincoln authorized 38 of 303 convicted Indians hanged.
See this thread for details
You're just fantasizing.
I respond to any nonsense and you happen to post more of it than many others.
So you can shut me up instantaneously -- just stop lying and start telling the truth.
How hard could that be?
So, do we understand this correctly?
FLT-bird tells us that since "PC-Revisionists" attack Confederates unfairly, he, FLT-bird, is duty bound to attack Lincoln unfairly?
Is that the deal?
When they stop attacking Confederates unfairly then FLT-bird will stop attacking Lincoln unfairly??
I think we should take some time to think this over before responding too rashly.
Agreed?
FLT-bird: "As for Lincoln he'd fall near the bottom of the scale given he started the bloodiest war in American history, trashed the constitution, was willing to enshrine slavery effectively forever in the constitution, committed all sorts of war crimes and committed genocide and ethnic cleansing against native people."
Is this an example of the kind of unfair attack on Lincoln which FLT-bird offers to stop, once others stop unfairly attacking Confederates?
Really?
Why don’t you?
We’ve gone down this road hundreds if not thousands of times before. I am not going to waste my time with your responding to respond posts in which you endlessly spew your ignorant and false PC Revisionist drivel.
1st attempt.
We’ve gone down this road hundreds if not thousands of times before. I am not going to waste my time with your responding to respond posts in which you endlessly spew your ignorant and false PC Revisionist drivel.
2nd attempt.
We’ve gone down this road hundreds if not thousands of times before. I am not going to waste my time with your responding to respond posts in which you endlessly spew your ignorant and false PC Revisionist drivel.
3rd attempt.
Find me a quote from a confederate leader that is equivalent to Lincoln’s “I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free”, and I might believe you.
There are several statements from Lee saying slavery was a moral evil in any country. Jefferson Davis said multiple times that they were not fighting over slavery (as did others) and Davis empowered his ambassador with plenipotentiary powers to agree to a treaty with Britain and France that in which the CSA would abolish slavery. Somehow none of that seems to count with PC Revisionists.
And so begins FLT-bird's descent from mere irrationality to mindless raving lunacy.
Already this thread's dominator, with 27 posts, FLT-bird has no time to respond when his Lost Cause nonsense is called out by facts.
For those keeping count, it's about 30%, 30% & 40% -- Lost Causers FLT-bird & jeffersondem alone total 44 posts, five Union defenders combined 45 posts and everyone else 61 posts.
As for quality of posts, well... imho, there's no comparison.
“Davis empowered his ambassador with plenipotentiary powers to agree to a treaty with Britain and France that in which the CSA would abolish slavery. Somehow none of that seems to count with PC Revisionists.
Lets take quick look at the status of affairs when Davis dispatched Duncan F. Kenner to Europe with the authority to negotiate emancipation in exchange for Diplomatic recognition.
The Army of Northern Virginia was penned up in Petersburg like a lamb waiting or slaughter. The entire Mississippi, Cumberland and Tennessee River valleys were controlled by the Union Army. Sherman would commence his march across Georgia virtually unopposed except by a handful of Georgia militia. Almost the entire state of Tennessee was in Union hands. Half of Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama were in Union hands, the coasts of most of North Carolina, South Carolina and parts of Georgia were in Union hands. Only two major ports were left to the Confederacy after the U.S. Navy blockaded the remainder of the entire Confederate coastline. About 2 million slaves had already been freed due to the Emancipation Proclamation and the presence of the Union Army.
The offer of Emancipation in exchange for Diplomatic recognition to the Europeans was a move of shear desperation by a Davis that knew the war lost. Not his only desperate move in November, he asked the Confederate Congress for authority to enlist 40,000 slaves into non-combatant rolls in the Confederate Army in exchange for emancipation. These moves were not out of any altruistic belief that slavery was bad or should be abolished, they were desperate moves in a last ditch effort to save the crumbling house of cards called the Confederacy.
Many others said that they were fighting for slavery.
...Davis empowered his ambassador with plenipotentiary powers to agree to a treaty with Britain and France that in which the CSA would abolish slavery.
Just out of curiosity where, under the Confederate Constitution, did Davis get the power to end slavery in the Confederacy?
Somehow none of that seems to count with PC Revisionists.
Bullsh*t seldom does.
Right, Lee's views were consistent with those of our Founders, North & South.
They all believed slavery a moral wrong which should be set right eventually -- gradual, compensated emancipation as first proposed by Thomas Jefferson, and as later proposed by young Congressman Abraham Lincoln for Washington, DC.
FLT-bird: "Jefferson Davis said multiple times that they were not fighting over slavery..."
Sure, but the Corwin Amendment which FLT-bird so loves to lay at Lincoln's feet was actually Senator Davis' baby, born of his efforts to prevent Mississippi from declaring secession.
Democrat Senator Davis believed the best way to prevent further secessions was to guarantee the status of slavery in the United States.
And most seceding states made certain slavery was featured prominently in their "Reasons for Secession" documents.
Sure, slavery did not cause Fort Sumter on April 12, or the Confederate Declaration of War on May 6, 1861, but slavery did become hugely important in the forms of:
As for what your average Confederate soldier believed, here is what some said:
“No, because Lee didn’t really have a problem with slavery.”
Brother Joe’s post #125 references a couple of important quotes by Lee on this very topic. I recommend you read them.
Because I’m not the one whining and soiling her diapers over being put upon. Why don’t you pretend like you have a pair and stop all of your juvenile tactics and just debate?!
Brother Joe has made an excellent post (one in a row) at #135. I recommend it.
“John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry resulted in six killed civilians — including two slaves and one freed-black — nine wounded, plus a marine killed & nine more wounded, so I rank Brown a terrorist, regardless of his allegedly noble intentions.”
This does not include the murders of James, William, and Drury Doyle, William Sherman, or Allen Wilkinson.
You all do love your partial quotes and quotes out of context, don't you? The first one, "Slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil" is a partial quote. What Lee said was, "There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil." Lee continued, "I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influences of Christianity than from the storm and tempest of fiery controversy. This influence, though slow, is sure. The doctrines and miracles of our Saviour have required nearly two thousand years to convert but a small portion of the human race, and even among Christian nations what gross errors still exist! While we see the course of the final abolition of human slavery is still onward, and give it the aid of our prayers, let us leave the progress as well as the results in the hands of Him who, chooses to work by slow influences, and with whom a thousand years are but as a single day. "
So to sum up, slavery bad for whites. Slavery good for blacks and will prepare them "for better things." Said "better things" to happen some time in the distant future and when God willed it, and if it took 2000 years then that was fine with Lee. And you call that opposition to slavery?
The second quote, "So far from engaging in a war to perpetuate slavery, I am rejoiced that Slavery is abolished. I believe it will be greatly for the interest of the South. So fully am I satisfied of this that I would have cheerfully lost all that I have lost by the war, and have suffered all that I have suffered to have this object attained." That's a post-rebellion quote from a letter by Lee to one of his sons. Considering that he already lost all that he lost and suffered all he suffered then it was easy to be revisionist. While the war was going on, however, Lee was calling slavery the best position for blacks in the country.
Was Lee as virulently pro-slavery as most of his peers? No. But he was certainly not an abolitionist in any regards and his opposition to slavery would be considered tepid at best.
You are aware, are you not, that Buchanan was president when John Brown raided Harper’s Ferry? So how could Lincoln be responsible for those innocent lives taken?
“You all do love your partial quotes and quotes out of context, don’t you?”
In defense of Brother Joe, I do not believe the quotes he provided were out of context. Your attack on him is unwarranted.
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