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To: Widget Jr

You misrepresent the SCOTUS ruling in United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

Ark claimed to be a natural born citizen in the case. Chief Justice Gray clearly agreed with Ark,as attested to by Gray’s written dicta in the ruling.

HOWEVER, the declarative text of the decision is as follows:

“The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. For the reasons above stated, this court is of opinion that the question must be answered in the affirmative.

Order affirmed.”

THE RULING DECLARED ARK A CITIZEN,BUT DID NOT DECIDE IF HE WAS NATURAL BORN. SCOTUS HAS NEVER RULED ON IT !!!


109 posted on 01/21/2019 1:55:21 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Lmo56
You are arguing that Ark was born a naturalized citizen, when he war born on U.S. soil. That doesn't make any sense.
123 posted on 01/21/2019 2:09:29 PM PST by Widget Jr
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To: Lmo56; Electric Graffiti
Found a source on the meaning of Ark: Natural born citizen. The last paragraph is how courts interpret Ark.

"Natural born citizen
Overview

A natural-born citizen refers to someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth, and did not need to go through a naturalization proceeding later in life. Political Office Requirement

The phrase "natural-born citizen" appears in the U.S. Constitution. In order to become the President or Vice President of the United States, a person must be a natural-born citizen. This "Natural-Born Citizen Clause" is located in Section 1 of Article 2 of the United States Constitution.

The constitution does not expressly define “natural born” nor has the Supreme Court ever ruled precisely upon its meaning. One can be a citizen while not being a "natural born" citizen if, for example, that person gained citizenship through the process of naturalization.

Under the 14th Amendment's Naturalization Clause and the Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649, anyone born on U.S. soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship. This type of citizenship is referred to as birthright citizenship."

145 posted on 01/21/2019 2:54:13 PM PST by Widget Jr
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