FLT-bird: ***”Nope! THAT is a lie.
What you claim ONLY happened AFTER Lincoln started a war.
Once the war was on, the Southern states took every measure to **defend themselves**.
When they left they made no claim to any territory outside their borders.”***
As OIFVeteran’s post #483 above clearly demonstrates, Confederates waged war against the United States long before either President Buchanan or Lincoln responded militarily.
And like Central_va, you have a very, ah, odd view of “defense”, when that word includes claiming & sending armies into Union territories of New Mexico & Oklahoma, Union states of Missouri, Kentucky & West Virginia, along with invading Union Maryland, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana & Kansas, plus guerrillas in California, Colorado & Vermont among others.
All of that in the name of “defense”??
I don’t think so.
I think that “defense” was an existential threat to the United States which had to be destroyed, utterly.
FLT-bird: **”Nope! It is your dishonest anti historical claims that are pure nonsense.”***
So do you now utterly confess there was nothing “defensive” about Confederate invasions of the Union once war started?
Do you also confess that Confederates waged war against the United States **for months** before the Union responded — see OIFVeteran’s post #483?
Then you are being honest.
Otherwise it’s all just an exercise in misdirection & deception, FRiend.
As OIFVeteran’s post #483 above clearly demonstrates, Confederates waged war against the United States long before either President Buchanan or Lincoln responded militarily.
No they didn’t.
And like Central_va, you have a very, ah, odd view of “defense”, when that word includes claiming & sending armies into Union territories of New Mexico & Oklahoma, Union states of Missouri, Kentucky & West Virginia, along with invading Union Maryland, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana & Kansas, plus guerrillas in California, Colorado & Vermont among others. All of that in the name of “defense”??
I don’t think so.
Uhhh yes. Once a war starts, all bets are off. Were the colonists waging a war of aggression against the British Empire? They invaded Canada. Were the Allies waging a war of aggression against the Axis? They invaded Iceland - and Iran. An aggressive defense is still defense.
I think that “defense” was an existential threat to the United States which had to be destroyed, utterly.
I believe you are wrong and that the Lincoln administration started and waged a war of aggression to impose its rule on people who did not consent to be ruled by it.
So do you now utterly confess there was nothing “defensive” about Confederate invasions of the Union once war started?
No of course not. Do you confess it was defensive for the Confederates to have an aggressive defense policy once Lincoln started the war?
Do you also confess that Confederates waged war against the United States **for months** before the Union responded — see OIFVeteran’s post #483?
No. Do you confess Lincoln started the war and waged a war of aggression?
Then you are being honest.
Otherwise it’s all just an exercise in misdirection & deception, FRiend.
Nah. It is you who is trying to engage in misdirection and deception here FRiend.