[robowombat]

Sorry other way around. Confederates didn’t invade, plunder, burn and rape their way through Illinois but the blue locusts did to Mississippi, much of Louisiana and anywhere else they could insert themselves in Dixie.In short if yankees had stayed in yankeedom they would have not had any problems from the new nation to their south. But the puritan/yankee habit of combining self righteous moralizing with financial greed would not tolerate having many persons escape their grasp. Thus the charter of the US to be the universal hall monitor of the planet and moralizer of the universe came to be and led us to so many interesting places and peoples, not the least our recent visit to the putative land of the Garden of Eden.

[rockrr]

Total delusion on your part....but if you’re comfortable living a lie that I’m happy for you ;’}

[DoodleDawg]

In short if yankees had stayed in yankeedom they would have not had any problems from the new nation to their south.

If the new nation to the south had not started a war with yankeedom then the blue locusts wouldn't have gone anywhere now would they?

[BroJoeK]

robowombat: "Confederates didn’t invade, plunder, burn and rape their way through Illinois but the blue locusts did to Mississippi, much of Louisiana and anywhere else they could insert themselves in Dixie."

One of my Great Grandfathers, fresh off the boat from Europe, speaking little to no English, served in an Illinois regiment, marched thousands of miles through Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Missouri & Alabama.
Wounded at Fort Blakely near Mobile, he nearly died but walked home from New Orleans to Illinois after the war.

So far as I know those soldiers served honorably and behaved themselves as good as any in that era, meaning very good compared to other wars & times.
But any suggestions Confederates did not invade the Union are pure poppycock.
In fact, Confederates invaded Union Maryland, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma & New Mexico, along with Confederate guerillas in California, Colorado & Vermont among others.

Further, in the Civil War's first 12 months more battles were fought in the Union than Confederacy and more Confederates died in Union states than in Confederate states.
So it was never a matter of "just leave us alone", but rather of constant Confederate aggressions & declared war on the United States.

[BroJoeK]

rowbowombat: "short if yankees had stayed in yankeedom they would have not had any problems from the new nation to their south."

Please see my post #375 above.

rowbowombat: "But the puritan/yankee habit of combining self righteous moralizing with financial greed would not tolerate having many persons escape their grasp.
Thus the charter of the US to be the universal hall monitor of the planet and moralizer of the universe came to be and led us to so many interesting places and peoples, not the least our recent visit to the putative land of the Garden of Eden."

The Bible suggests the Garden of Eden was on land now under water at the western end of the Persian Gulf, a region today dotted with oil derricks and patrolled by the US Navy.

As for "universal hall monitor", our own peace and prosperity depends on keeping the peace and enforcing basic international laws abroad.
So we do patrol hot spots, especially watery ones and occasionally fight bad guys to maintain the world order -- our world order.
In this day & age there's no serious alternative -- you want to empower the UN to do that?
What about letting the Europeans of Chi-coms take care of it?
Or have Vlad the Pute take over?
I don't think so.
You may find Yankee "moralizing" irksome, but it does form a firm foundation for International Law.

The fact is there's no serious alternative and without a powerful USA the world would be a much worse and poorer place.
The real problem is Americans have become so involved abroad we've sometimes forgotten to, ahem, "put America first", a problem we trust our President is moving to correct.