[robowombat]

I suspect the US as we know it would not exist. That would not be a bad thing. The world saving crusading the US has engaged in as front for the NE elites financial interests and cultural attitudes would not have happened or happened in a more muted fashion. Americans would surely not be burdened by the perpetual albatross of being ‘the indispensable nation’.The French under napoleon II would have tried to sustain its imperial adventure in Mexico. Napoleon III’s empire collapsed due to military defeat. French long term involvement in Mexico seems unlikely and if it did continue would Mexico be any the worse for it considering what it has become. Britain by mid century had no strategic interest in conflict with the US or its successors. Had it wished to the Trent incident was a made to order pretext. The value of all seized federal property was trivial at the time to the size of the economy. It was just another of those tricks scheming politicians engage in to incite the populace. In any case if the US never recovered a dollar on the value of property seized it would be truly insignificant compared both to the financial cost of the war let alone the cost in lives. Do you truly think it was worth hundreds of thousands of white men's lives to destroy the South and to elevate a class of plutocratic crony capitalists to the positions they gained by virtue of the war. You might, I don't. My family on both sides paid a huge price for the arrogant hubris and greedy hidden agendas of a lot of slimy politicians, racial fanatics, and Wall Street banksters.

[rockrr]

Do you truly think it was worth hundreds of thousands of white men's lives to destroy the South and to elevate a class of plutocratic crony capitalists to the positions they gained by virtue of the war. You might, I don't. My family on both sides paid a huge price for the arrogant hubris and greedy hidden agendas of a lot of slimy politicians, racial fanatics, and Wall Street banksters.

It's foolish to impute post-hoc arguments like that. There is no way either side could anticipate the number of casualties or the degree of destruction the war would bring. But the responsibility for those losses must lie with hose who initiated and perpetuated the conflict. I notice that you don't include the responsible parties in your condemnation. Pity that.

[BroJoeK]

robowombat: "I suspect the US as we know it would not exist.
That would not be a bad thing.
The world saving crusading the US has engaged in as front for the NE elites financial interests and cultural attitudes would not have happened or happened in a more muted fashion..."

By the way, we should take a moment to notice this entire anti-American diatribe sounds like something we could expect from the Cold War's Soviet Pravda, or from our socialist besotted Democrats today.
And yet we see it posted here by a presumed conservative.

Astonishing!

Is this what Ron-Rand Paul talk looks like when reduced to a Free Republic post?