Nooooo, here's your real problem:
Posted on 01/11/2019 5:16:40 AM PST by TexasGunLover
AUSTIN, Texas — A historically inaccurate brass plaque honoring confederate veterans will come down after a vote this morning, WFAA has learned.
The State Preservation Board, which is in charge of the capitol building and grounds, meets this morning at 10:30 a.m. to officially decide the fate of the metal plate.
(Excerpt) Read more at wfaa.com ...
Nooooo, here's your real problem:
I never studied Latin, but I know there's nothing "faulty" in my logic.
I know you Lost Causers wish to deny the 13th, 14th & 15th's legitimacy and yet none of you will admit to wanting the status quo ante -- is that Latin enough for you?
jeffersondem: "Yes, I supported Clarence Thomas for the Supreme Court.
And yes, I opposed the mob that attempted his high-tech lynching. But there was no “both ways” about it."
Of course there is, because at the same time you wish to deny legitimacy to the very amendments which made Justice Thomas a possibility.
jeffersondem: "The elimination of the pro-slavery provisions of the United States Constitution was necessary and advantageous but it should have been done peacefully using the agreed upon amendment process without all the war and killings."
Then talk to the ghosts of your own leadership.
Ask your own Jefferson Davis:
No, here's your real problem:
They would if you had any respect for the truth.
jeffersondem: "You have argued the South (one southern state at least) forced the other states to adopt a slavery-enshrined Constitution BUT you have argued that all the states adopted the slavery-enshrined Constitution by mutual consent.
If it was forced, then it wasn’t mutual consent."
Politics is politics, they made a deal -- the South got slavery, the North got Union.
The Deep South wanted Union but they wanted slavery more.
The North opposed slavery, but they wanted Union more.
A future President would call that "the Art of the Deal".
jeffersondem: "All this, of course, ties back into the “at pleasure” superstructure of your discredited mother church."
"At pleasure" is an important point.
"Mother church" is pure jeffersondem fantasy.
jeffersondem: "What you should do now is to point out that you were unwittingly, and deliberately, led into a trap. You probably were."
More jeffersondem fantasy, untethered to even your own "mother ship" of Lost Cause lies.
Get a grip, FRiend.
Only by Lost Cause Marxists with your endless economic dialectics.
Love of country is more accurate, as expressed here:
jeffersondem: "Some say many years later an archetype Lincoln famously explained how the deal came unglued.
See the link."
So, do I surmise correctly that you have now humbly confessed that, yes, secession was "all about slavery" and the Deep South's perception that Lincoln's Black Republicans represented an existential threat to their "peculiar institution"?
Or is that just another fantasy from a galaxy long ago and far, far away?
Noise.
Noise.
That’s all he has to offer.
Proper rebuttal simply takes far too long, and is a waste of my time, because he's not going to admit to being wrong about anything.
Your repetitive responding to respond in order to waste as much time as possible while failing to read and/or just claiming any source that is inconvenient for your arguments is automatically untrue, has likewise come to an end. Buh Bye.
59th attempt.
You are simply not going to steal hours of my day every day.
Naw, the fact is you have no rebuttals, you've tried to rebut and you just can't.
You don't have facts, quotes or logic to support your cockamamie fantasies.
What you do have is a script, just like the others and you stick to your script no matter what.
Anything outside your script you simply ignore.
By the way, there's more than plenty I don't know and have to look up.
When I do I link the source and save it for future reference.
Occasionally a new source will show I got something wrong on a previous post and if so, I make the correction.
But I've never consciously corrected anything on account of some cockamamie nonsense from our Long Lost Cause mythologizers.
I see that numb-nutz can’t just let the thread alone. His #1,253 disproves his nonsense of “stealing hours of my day every day.”
I do not doubt that he is a conservative. I just believe he has a near religious need to believe that the people geographically and ancestrally connected to him were the "good guys."
Nobody wants to believe the people they identify as "their side", was evil and tyrannical. They want to believe "their side" are the good guys, and the people whom they fought were the "bad guys."
I understand why he so strongly defends them, but it is irritating to read his constant spew of propaganda when one is no longer caught in that spell.
Having been "red pilled", it is no longer possible to give much credence to the efforts to cover up what Lincoln had done, and the reasons behind why he did it.
The History of Lincoln and the Civil War is Potemkin Villages, all the way down.
I see rocks in his head is still showing his ass as he has throughout the entire thread. No surprise.
But how did DiogenesLamp & others here get "caught in that spell" of Lost Cost lies, myths & misrepresentations?
By your own claims you have no family link to them, no admitted self-interest in believing and propagandizing their pack of nonsense -- so how & why?
Why would you take endless time to study & repeat lies, but never lift a finger to learn real history?
What's up with that?
The fact is that nothing DiogenesLamp posts here is error free in terms of facts and none of it is reasonable in terms of analysis.
For example, like any good Marxist you tell us, "follow the money" and wail about "Northeastern power brokers" but without any legitimate references to show that any of that played more important roles than the actual words of people, at the time.
The fact is that whatever you post which is not just pure fantasy turns out to be projections from myths about allegations which are not solidly referenced.
Sure, for posters like jeffersondem, FLT-bird & others who were presumably born into the Lost Cause, we can at least understand where they're coming from, but not DiogenesLamp.
So what can replace a Lost Cause mother's milk?
I can only think of a wedding vow: "DL, will you have this woman, to love honor and obey her Lost Cause myths until death do you part?"
What else could account for it?
Texas made it very clear they were fighting to keep slavery. AND expand it into new territories.
“She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery—the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits—a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?
The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slave-holding States...
...In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon the unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of the equality of all men, irrespective of race or color—a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of the Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and the negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.”
https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/secession/2feb1861.html
Didn’t realize how old this thread is or how long. Shouldn’t have posted on it. Sorry.
Organic mental disorder?
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