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To: zencycler
Everyone buy big pickups and SUVs - We need to put MORE CO2 in the air to retain some warmth and counteract the solar cooling!

That won't be enough to help. If you read the article, the decreased total solar irradiance from the super grand minimum of sunspots AND the movement of earth away from the sun due to Milankovitch orbital alignment results in a loss of 8 watts per square meter of energy capture at the surface of earth. The contribution of CO2 is a gain of 1.5 watts of energy capture per square meter. We have a net loss of 6.5 watts of energy per square meter. The consequence is a drop in temperature below what we need to grow food. The near term 2028 to 2032 looks to be fairly severe. Famine is an ugly thing and there isn't much we can do about it.

20 posted on 11/22/2018 10:57:20 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

So in short we are in for a period of cold that will rival or exceed the Little Ice Age and perhaps even to the Younger Dryas. Perhaps some living will see the growth of a Northern Ice Cap again - the last took only 100 years to become 2 miles high ... If the models are similar than the ocean will freeze between Tierra del Fuego and up to the Andes with another mile high Ice Cap.


34 posted on 11/22/2018 11:24:09 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Myrddin
Interesting quantitative numbers vs. too many less useful information platitudes. I'd appreciate your sources for the info.

One thing that is likely should the global cooling prove accurate is that the temperate zone and rainfall will shift south wrt North America. For example, some arid lands in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California could could bloom again into the rich grasslands they were as recent as the late 1800s and early 1900s. When I was a kid in the 1950s, I remember old timers describing how the landscape was lush dryland prairie instead of the moonscape it is now. Perhaps the desert of today will be the bread basket of tomorrow?

48 posted on 11/22/2018 12:14:14 PM PST by Hootowl99
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To: Myrddin
The consequence is a drop in temperature below what we need to grow food.

So, Canada and Russia will be hosed but in the rest of the world crop selection will just migrate toward the equator and large parts of Africa will become wonderful temperate crop and grazing land. I’m just looking forward to watching “climate scientists” scrape ice off their windshields in the morning much of the year.

50 posted on 11/22/2018 12:14:25 PM PST by SFConservative
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To: Myrddin

There are other and far more effective greenhouse gases than either CO2 or H2O. It is far easier to force an increase in the greenhouse effect than a decrease. Sulfur hexafluoride is an excellent possibility.


52 posted on 11/22/2018 12:20:55 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: Myrddin

It wasn’t meant to help, it was meant to piss off the warmists preaching that CO2 needs to be reduced to let some heat out.


55 posted on 11/22/2018 12:38:56 PM PST by zencycler
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To: Myrddin

Shoot down the idiots that wish to put sulfur aerosol in the stratosphere?


57 posted on 11/22/2018 1:15:44 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: Myrddin

I knew a genius, eccentric geologist that believes we are due for another VERY cold period. He dabbled in a lot of things, including plant genetics. He designed and grew a variety of different crops to grow in cold, dry climates (Ice Age climates). He worked with some university, and they have the seeds stored in some huge buried agricultural vault in Sweden.

He also published a paper that related the price of gold to sun spots - an inverse relationship. (Price of gold high when sun spot numbers were low since the middle ages or something). I thought it a bit kooky - but it makes sense perhaps. Low sun spots equals cooler temperatures equals less crops, more destabilized economies, perhaps more wars fighting for better land, etc. All of which tend to increase the price of gold.


88 posted on 11/23/2018 12:28:39 AM PST by 21twelve (!)
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To: Myrddin
The consequence is a drop in temperature below what we need to grow food. The near term 2028 to 2032 looks to be fairly severe. Famine is an ugly thing and there isn't much we can do about it.

Well then somebody get on the blower and get this Milankovitch character to make some adjustments to his orbatial alignments right away!

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91 posted on 11/23/2018 4:33:10 AM PST by infool7 (Observe, Orient, Pray, Decide, Act!(it's an OOPDA loop))
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