Posted on 10/29/2018 9:10:42 PM PDT by Salvavida
My Honduran-born wife uses Facebook to keep in touch with her family in Honduras. Many posts are her thoughts on the topic of the day, and immigration and politics are certainly represented in what she posts. A little about my wife, she served as an interviewer inside of a US Consulate in Latin America, and is thoroughly familiar with immigration law, the process, and the plight of those wishing to visit or immigrate to the US. She is 100% against illegal immigration. Why? Among other things, she also served as a finance officer of a hospital in Northern Virginia, and saw it change hands as a result of immigrants using the Emergency Room as their primary care, and the draining of the charitable foundations that are typically put aside for Americans that cannot pay. My wife gets it. She knows where blessing comes from: American hearts and their taxes.
Naturally, her family responds to the posts and I thought it might be informative to the readership to know the mind of an average middle class family from Honduras. Note that in the past 20 years, my wife and I paid for medical school, law school, and refrigeration vocational-tech school.
A. Here is a summation of the responses from various family members, I distilled them into these main ideas:
- 1. Her family is upset that she is not "in solidarity" with them, and my wife "forgot where she came from."
- 2. They assert the migrants just want to work and to flee the gang violence.
- 3. Hondurans cannot change their government-- it's too corrupt, so the US is their only hope..
- 4. They generally had no concept of how Americans thought about this-- they are thinking it's POTUS and a minority. (Comment- This is courtesy of the leftist press there as well.)
- 5. From their point of view, everyone knows friends or family members here, and know they live a life substantially better than they will ever have. So what has changed to cause a border confrontation?
(Hint: DJT's politics)
B. Here are implications that were not considered from their arguments:
- 1. Law breaking. The end justifies the mean, situational ethics.
- 2. No understanding of the concept of taxes (most Central Americans are not taxed- a Value Added Tax (VAT) is added onto most sales, nor the financial burden Americans have (welfare, medical, children's schools, etc) shouldered.
- 3. No respect for what Americans have built, and what was sacrificed. They want to partake because being poor sucks.
C. How are illegals able to stay (everyone knows this from the immigrant side, it's the Americans that need education):
There are no consequences.
No government form of ID is required to get housing.
No one comes after an over-stayed visa.
Access to school is free.
Saturation of pro-immigrant lawyers in the US.
D. Conclusion: The time has come to where migrants want your stuff, and there is nothing detering them. They have abandoned being citizens of their own countries. They are incapable of governing themselves, and being governed. They certainly do not think like Americans nor anything in which we value. Their system doesn't produce responsible, moral citizens. It produces a people that wants stuff. And they want it now.
I am American, but have lived abroad quite a long time. My experience is a corollary to yours.
Even in the poorest countries I have been to - normal people do not want to leave their homes, to break the law in the United States. Normal people worry about their parents, children, brothers and sisters and don’t abandon their families. Normal people in even the poorest countries do the best to live a normal life at home. Normal people even in the poorest countries do not want to be stateless or live in the shadows of another country. In sum - NORMAL PEOPLE DO NOT BECOME ILLEGAL MIGRANTS. ONLY ABNORMAL PEOPLE AND CRIMINALS DO.
“They certainly do not think like Americans nor anything in which we value.”
That’s a perfect fit for the Rat-Mob Party.
Thanks. Very interesting.
“We wantan El Jefe like the American El Jefe.”
They don’t realize we are better because we have no El Jefe but the Constitution.
Answers several questions, and confirms several suspicions...
That unfortunately IS the Globalist agenda.....not that they have to assimilate but 'we' have to accept these communities (illegals and otherwise) , their cultures and lifestyles living 'alongside' of ours...which is 'Integration' of 3rd world countries into western nations whether they like it or not. That I do not agree with.
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Not discussed because this is through their eyes, not from our eyes. Language and culture isn't the issue. There are between 11-16 million illegals here in the US, everyone knows someone here, which means they don't have to fully integrate in the first generation (my opinion). Mexico doesn't have opportunity like here and it's not even close. This is NEVER a consideration. EVER.
We already have that happening......looters etc and
.....”Their system doesn’t produce responsible, moral citizens. It produces a people that wants stuff. And they want it now”.....
So once here how long before they want more they see their neighbors have they do not have the capability nor desire to work for and earn?
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Ding, ding, ding, ding!! We have a thread WINNER!
Contrary to some responses, it's economics and trajectory in life. We have what people want, and they happen to be CLOSER. It's not that they HATE AMERICANS, they really don't. Their pain pushes them over the threshold of respecting us, and don't underestimate greed and contentment mixed in.
It sounds like your wife’s relatives are much like liberals here. They are fairly successful in their country and support the “poor huddled masses” just to virtue signal and feel good about their “caring” selves.
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From their perspective, no one said anything about not working. Generally, they are very industrious and do jobs that Americans don't want to do. Will they do the least if it is afforded to them? Of course. Human nature and sin does that.
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I would challenge you on that. Their situation is so bad, and to a large extent, we have left the door of opportunity open. Remember when I said there are no consequences? That is real. These are very normal people responding to the path of least resistance and casting lots with Uncle Sugar.
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That question is from an American point of view. These are not Americans. Think Old World. They have never witnessed at any point in their lives, a government that executes justice.
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Way off base. Going to CR or any other place is NEVER a conversation point. They can't drop a baby there and instantly become an American Citizen. This is about changing the trajectory of their life....permanently.
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Great point! I missed covering this because their conversations NEVER talk about asylum. They do know by the experience of others that there are no consequences.....so they go. Having a legit asylum claim is never a consideration. Asylum is a foreign concept, but if a lawyer tells them to parrot a talking point in order to get in.....well...you know the rest.
No doubt you know many “normal” Hondurans - your wife’s family, her educated friends, people with families, etc...
They may all admit that Honduras is a screwed up country and may be quite pessimistic about the future - BUT, would any of them seriously consider just dropping everything to join a caravan across Mexico? Would they stuff themselves in shipping containers or pay gangsters to get smuggled to LA? I don’t know Hondurans, but I know many similar people in other countries. They would never consider doing such things to get into the USA.
It comes down to two words: Free Stuff. Costa Rica does not have the Free Stuff Cornucopia that the US has thanks to the American Tax Drone. Work harder, more dependents are on the way.
Actually, they all sound like they graduated from Harvard!
They believe the same things.
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