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To: Luircin; metmom; boatbums

The scripture you are citing, Romans 3-4 speaks of “works of the law”, meaning specifically, the Jewish law mandating circumcision. Indeed, works made out of legal obligation, or for temporal reward, do not save anyone. The Romans, for example, did not have to get circumcised in order to obtain salvation. That is Catholic teaching, expressed beautifully by St. Paul.


790 posted on 08/31/2018 5:08:57 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

If ANY works could save, it would have been the works of the Law.

And if any works could save, then Christ died for nothing.

His death was sufficient or not.

So by claiming that works need to be done, then Christ’s death wasn’t sufficient in and of itself to pay for our sins.

Are you really claiming that?


798 posted on 08/31/2018 5:25:15 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: annalex

The scripture you are citing, Romans 3-4 speaks of “works of the law”, meaning specifically, the Jewish law mandating circumcision. Indeed, works made out of legal obligation, or for temporal reward, do not save anyone. The Romans, for example, did not have to get circumcised in order to obtain salvation. That is Catholic teaching, expressed beautifully by St. Paul.

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Sorry, I already explained in my last post why that explanation is incorrect. Just reading the opening lines of chapter 4 of Romans and you’ll see that it’s obvious that Paul is speaking of ALL works, not just circumcision.


800 posted on 08/31/2018 6:12:18 AM PDT by Luircin
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To: annalex; Luircin; metmom
The scripture you are citing, Romans 3-4 speaks of “works of the law”, meaning specifically, the Jewish law mandating circumcision. Indeed, works made out of legal obligation, or for temporal reward, do not save anyone. The Romans, for example, did not have to get circumcised in order to obtain salvation. That is Catholic teaching, expressed beautifully by St. Paul.

No, read it again. Pay attention to chapter 4 which says of Abraham:

    What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

Abraham was justified by faith BEFORE the Law even existed (400 years before)! I know it is Catholic teaching to ignore that fact which is why we say Catholicism preaches an accursed gospel. I pray you are freed from the false idea that you can merit salvation by your works - you can't. So that NO ONE may boast.

814 posted on 08/31/2018 7:27:03 PM PDT by boatbums (Not by works of righteousness which we have done but according to His mercy he saved us.)
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