Posted on 08/17/2018 8:40:24 AM PDT by wardaddy
Cardinal Raymond Burke has called for “open recognition” of the Catholic church’s homosexual culture in light of recent revelations of sexual abuse. “I believe that there needs to be an open recognition that we have a very grave problem of a homosexual culture in the Church,” Burke said in an interview Thursday, “especially among the clergy and the hierarchy, that needs to be addressed honestly and efficaciously.”
he former head of the church’s equivalent of the Supreme Court said it was already “clear after the studies following the 2002 sexual abuse crisis that most of the acts of abuse were in fact homosexual acts committed with adolescent young men.”
“There was a studied attempt to either overlook or to deny this,” he said, referring to the mainstream media cover-up of the homosexual nature of the abuse as well as such denial within the church itself.
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Not at all. Where did it say that?
“Demolishing” occurred when Boatbums pointed out a “blaring contradiction” in the doctrines of the Church and I showed her the relevant scripture.
When MHGinTN or Mark17 tell me what theological fantasies they have, I, obviously, ignore it as a good Christian.
Grace, in the context.
That is the complete answer; there is no other.
My interest is solely in accurately representing what the Holy Church teaches.
Paul derived his authority from God....not anyone else.
God still calls men to serve Him today as He deems fit.
“Demolishing” happened when you got a torrent of relevant Scripture back which you completely ignored? That remains in the realm of ‘LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU.’
Either James and Paul contradict each other, or they don’t and you have to explain why Paul says that we are justified by faith and NOT by works.
I well know the Lutheran position... which is Scripturally founded because James defines what he means when he uses the word ‘faith’ and it is not the same definition that Paul uses.
But your Roman Catholic position is utterly untenable because it involves ignoring huge swaths of teaching from both St. Paul, St. John, and Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Dear annalex,
Neither verse says what you are claiming.
Neither says anything about inviting grace.
Not in English.
Not in Greek.
You made a large claim, but provided verses that do not support your claim.
Perhaps you posted the wrong ones?
Please try again.
““Demolishing” occurred when Boatbums pointed out a “blaring contradiction” in the doctrines of the Church and I showed her the relevant scripture.”
You may have been taught this, but the actual words of the passages do not support your position.
Consequently, you’ve only demolished logic and evidence - and the Word of God.
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“My interest is solely in accurately representing what the Holy Church teaches. ”
At least you *admit* you are not seeking truth, but defending Rome.
It is better to seek God’s truth.
Horse hockey bro. I disagree with your interpretation, oops, sorry, your explanation. You also posted John 6 and Eph 2. Nothing wrong with that, but you didn’t comment on them. If you did, I am 99% sure, that I would disagree with your interpretation, oops, sorry, I know you are not allowed to interpret scripture. You just read it and tell me what it says. Either way, I know I will disagree with you, but I am ok with that, and so is Jesus. 👍
“Demolishing” occurred when Boatbums pointed out a “blaring contradiction” in the doctrines of the Church and I showed her the relevant scripture.
Horse hockey bro. Boatbums took you to the proverbial wood shed, and demolished your false doctrines. Good for her. 😁
When MHGinTN or Mark17 tell me what theological fantasies they have, I, obviously, ignore it as a good Christian.
Horse hockey bro. Ignore it at your own peril. You have been warned, and have no excuse.
I would like to hear what your interpretation, oops, sorry, your explanation of what a “good Christian” is. I am 99% sure, my interpretation (I am allowed to interpret, you are NOT) of a “good Christian,” and yours, is as different as night and day, but sometimes, I like to hear some theological fantasies. By all means, carry on. 🤣
“when Catholics see millions of true believers disappear,
Catholics don’t see true believers, nor understand what that means.
Their bias prevents seeing truth and understanding truth.
Rome has vaccinated them against truth by mixing in just a touch of truth with paganism.
They see worldly titles, positions, denominations,etc.
This thread continues to demonstrate this fact.
It is enough to make one wonder whether the whole church structure doctrine was developed two thousand years ago to provide a cover and power for those of the persuasion back then.
Of course, that’s true. You and I are both ex Catholics, so we know what it was like. I had no clue what a true believer was. I knew I wasn’t one, and maybe that’s why I searched for the truth. Where I live, there are tons of Catholics, who are leaving the Catholic Church. It’s a beautiful thing to see.
Never the less, when Catholics see millions disappear, I hope a few of them wise up, but I think most will accept the strong delusion that God will send. It seems it’s always only a remnant that are saved. 👍
Neither of those two verses say anything about attaining grace through them.
Grace is unmerited.
If you have to do something to avail yourself of it, it ceases to be grace and it’s wages due for deeds performed.
Doing works to attain grace negates grace.
metmom
Apparently, Roman Sacraments are the back porch light you turn on to attract the Moths of Grace...
That is the complete answer; there is no other.
You are not blind, nor dumb, and thus such a response to the question as to your basis of assurance for the veracity of what you say Christ said (whatever source that may be) - and which relates to the other unanswered questions - is insolence. That is not a positive achievement.
LOL! What a succinct and appropriate analogy!
According to you, the Catholic teaching is that grace is the "gift of God", right? If this is true, then why are you saying that our good works merit grace? Can you not see the contradiction? Grace means UNMERITED, unearned, undeserved, un-worked for. This is the main disagreement between the Roman Catholic and the Evangelical Protestant on the doctrine of justification. Scripture clearly teaches that if it is by grace, then it is not by works because grace would no longer be grace (Romans 11:6). We are justified and made righteous by faith APART from works.
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