Posted on 08/17/2018 8:40:24 AM PDT by wardaddy
Cardinal Raymond Burke has called for “open recognition” of the Catholic church’s homosexual culture in light of recent revelations of sexual abuse. “I believe that there needs to be an open recognition that we have a very grave problem of a homosexual culture in the Church,” Burke said in an interview Thursday, “especially among the clergy and the hierarchy, that needs to be addressed honestly and efficaciously.”
he former head of the church’s equivalent of the Supreme Court said it was already “clear after the studies following the 2002 sexual abuse crisis that most of the acts of abuse were in fact homosexual acts committed with adolescent young men.”
“There was a studied attempt to either overlook or to deny this,” he said, referring to the mainstream media cover-up of the homosexual nature of the abuse as well as such denial within the church itself.
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I am not disagreeing with the authors. I am disagreeing with your interpretation, oops, sorry, your explanation of the verses. In actuality, I believe you are not making an explanation, you are making an interpretation, and I don’t agree with it. I suspect a trillion years from now, we will still disagree on many issues. The only question that I have, is, from what physical place, will we be disagreeing? It appears to me, that your interpretation of the plan of salvation, is radically different from my interpretation of it. Again, it would appear to me, that one of us, is going to be in deep kimchi. Don’t get caught standing tall at the great white throne judgment. 🔥 You probably won’t like it, but that’s on you bro.
Your notion of it being a sin to presume upon the PROMISES of God is a fine example of how your ORG (rhymes with Borg) controls the thinking of those it derives empower over.
Your chosen religion, Catholicism, does not teach several of the TRUTHS enumerated in The Word of God. After the Rapture, try to drop the fealty to your chosen Org and call ONLY upon Jesus to save your soul ... because after the Rapture, if you remain on this planet, your body is doomed.
I believe you are correct MM. That made think back to when I was a catholic, on the Catholic hamster wheel of guilt. Assurance of salvation, was one of the reasons I was so hostile to the true believers, as opposed to the fake believers of the cults. They had assurance of salvation, and I didn’t, and I was jealous, and hated them for it. You know what they say, if you can’t beat em, join em. I left the “one true church,” once and forever. I could really care less, if anyone thinks assurance is the “grave sin of presumption.” Assurance of salvation, is important to me. 😇 If it’s not important to others, that’s on them. It’s clearly open to everyone. 👍
I believe you are correct sir. I hope, that when Catholics see millions of true believers disappear, as opposed to fake believers, that many of them will come to true faith in Jesus, as opposed to fake faith. Now, as you say, there is a better than even chance, that all, or many will face martyrdom, but wouldn’t you say, that’s better than an extended stay in the Lake of Fire? 🔥
See you in the clouds bro. 👍
See you in the clouds!
Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. I Thessalonians 4:16-17 "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
Well, true, we don’t. I can only repeat: I am here to correct errors regarding Catholicism and answer questions about it. I am not interested in Protestantism however differently it might be expressed by someone.
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So, holding your hands over your ears and chanting ‘LA LA LA LA I CAN’T HEAR YOU’ is known as ‘demolishing Prot arguments’ in Catholic circles?
This explains so much.
See YOU in the clouds, too!
According to some, the only reason why we have the Holy Scriptures we do is because the Roman Catholic church decided they agreed with their sacred traditions! Imagine that...religious leaders telling God which of His revelations they would keep and which ones they could toss.
Amazing, isn’t it? 👎 I can’t believe we were part of it. I didn’t really know about a lot of these false doctrines, when I was in Catholic school. I didn’t pay much attention in religion class. They kept telling me that all my favorite sins, were mortal sins. I didn’t like that. In catechism class, all I did, was look at the females, and think about playing hockey. 😁 So, I didn’t know much, about my own catholic religion. Praise God for that. That, it turns out, was to my advantage. 😇
And what’s even more fun, I’m sure, is the fact that you actually DON’T commit those mortal sins now that you have assurance of salvation!
So what is the "gift of God"?
Somehow, I don’t think it is an “interest” in Catholicism so much as an interest in disproving the false claims of Catholicism. We must earnestly contend for the faith and help those who might be reading the thread to know the truth of the gospel.
It is Catholic teaching that grace is not a result of works, this is why it is in the Letter to the Ephesians.
So what is the “gift of God”?
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Somehow I don’t think that St. Paul would write ‘by grace you have been saved, through faith, and it is the gift of God, not the result of works so that no one may boast’ if he really meant the exact opposite.
Reminded me of when we looking for a house in NC. One we liked was across the street from a church and graveyard. I asked the owners if it bothered them to be that close and the lady answered that she took comfort in knowing that if she was sitting on the porch swing one day and saw bodies rising up, she could yell to her husband, "Get ready honey, we're about to be Raptured!".
I agree. Whether it is faith that is the gift of God, or grace is the gift of God, or salvation is the gift of God, or all of the above, there is no place for our works in the salvation of our souls. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them (Ephesians 2:10). God has a purpose and plan for our lives and we demonstrate our faith by how we live in newness of life. Genuine faith changes us, we now have hearts of flesh and a desire to please our Savior out of gratitude for His grace. How DISGRACEFUL to imagine our good works are what saves us!
Once again, calling all ex catholics. 😁 I agree BB. Since I am an ex catholic, I know all about it, even though I didn’t pay much attention in catechism class. 🤣 Obviously, I am not interested in it, but want to counter the false doctrines of the RCC, oops, sorry, Roman Catholic Church. 😊 That is my interpretation, oops, sorry, my explanation, and i’m sticking with it. 👍
And which means that the African canon was not binding, and that canonical status of books that Trent later affirmed as being Scripture proper was still subject to debate up to that point. Which was the point, contrary to your assertions.
There probably was a point when Luther, too, was within his right to debate his ideas and remain Catholic.
There is no probably in regards to the canon, and Catholics are guilty here of reading back into history the idea that his expressly non-biding view on the canon was part of his official censure. For the fact remains that the only indisputable (as far as Rome is concerned) definition of the canon occurred after the death of Luther in 1546
Then, he crossed that line into heresy and blasphemy.
Whatever you think that is. A church which teaches heresy and blasphemy yet judging another of such is self-condemned. If the preaching of the apostles could not have withstood the test of examination by Scripture, which must of Rome's doctrine cannot, then they would not be of God.
But the Catholic retort is "we gave you the Scriptures," and even that one is unable to discover the contents Scripture apart from faith in her, who must tell them, and thus questions must be asked regarding this premise.
"A" question" Is this more evasiveness? Yes, I think might have actually answered one, but the problem is pertinent questions you have neglected to answer, or did not actually given an answer to, and have resorted falsely claiming a lack of perpetuity or being too prolix.
Thus I stated in 482:
Either answer the questions and answer fully and clearly or make it more obvious to us that you are avoiding them:
[annalex]: the Holy Scripture is itself the product of the Catholic Church.
Meaning, I assume, that that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination [of] writings and men [as] being of God;
And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that it is that assuredly infallible magisterium. Thus any who knowingly dissent from the latter must be in rebellion to God?
Or how else does the logic work that "we gave you the Scriptures, and therefore alone are the sure unreprovable standard on what it means/are a law unto ourselves?"
When you post a lecture with some question marks here and there, I ignore it.
There simply is no lecture here, and nor unintelligible prolixity for one schooled in Catholic apologetics, but pertinent questions in response to your assertion, and the premise and logic behind it, that basically asks whether you hold to the argumentation we often have seen expressed by other Catholics. And if not, then explain what polemical weight the "we gave you the Scriptures" has.
You were also plainly asked, "And again, just what is your basis for assurance that they the separate class of sacerdotal Catholic priests taught with the voice of Christ?"
To which you gave this non-answer, "That Christ sent them through the sacrament of the Holy Orders to do so."
For again, this simply ignores the issue/question as to your basis of assurance that what you say Christ said is true.
Recourse to claiming you cannot understand (or will not try to) or that is is too much of a read simply marginalizes you as a vain "argument by mere assertion" Catholic who is unfit for actual debate.
Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. (John 6:54-55)
we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus in good works, which God hath prepared that we should walk in them (Ephesians 2:10)
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