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Posted on 08/17/2018 8:40:24 AM PDT by wardaddy
Cardinal Raymond Burke has called for “open recognition” of the Catholic church’s homosexual culture in light of recent revelations of sexual abuse. “I believe that there needs to be an open recognition that we have a very grave problem of a homosexual culture in the Church,” Burke said in an interview Thursday, “especially among the clergy and the hierarchy, that needs to be addressed honestly and efficaciously.”
he former head of the church’s equivalent of the Supreme Court said it was already “clear after the studies following the 2002 sexual abuse crisis that most of the acts of abuse were in fact homosexual acts committed with adolescent young men.”
“There was a studied attempt to either overlook or to deny this,” he said, referring to the mainstream media cover-up of the homosexual nature of the abuse as well as such denial within the church itself.
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We might land people on Mars before that happens. 😁
And as Newman (known for his labor in the Roman art of Development of Doctrine due to lack of “unanimous consent ” of the fathers - while making use of forgeries ) confessed,
It does not seem possible, then, to avoid the conclusion that, whatever be the proper key for harmonizing the records and documents of the early and later Church, and true as the dictum of Vincentius must be considered in the abstract, and possible as its application might be in his own age, when he might almost ask the primitive centuries for their testimony, it is hardly available now, or effective of any satisfactory result. The solution it offers is as difficult as the original problem. — John Henry Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine (New York: Longmans, Green and Co., reprinted 1927), p. 27.
This required what even the Orthodox criticize as justifying regards certain RC extremes (for the Orthodox themselves teach many Catholic distinctives that certainly were not "believed everywhere, always and by all" in the NT church of Scripture, but are unseen in the inspired record of it):
Roman Catholicism, unable to show a continuity of faith and in order to justify new doctrine, erected in the last century, a theory of "doctrinal development."
Following the philosophical spirit of the time (and the lead of Cardinal Henry Newman), Roman Catholic theologians began to define and teach the idea that Christ only gave us an "original deposit" of faith, a "seed," which grew and matured through the centuries...
On this basis, theories such as the dogmas of "papal infallibility" and "the immaculate conception" of the Virgin Mary (about which we will say more) are justifiably presented to the Faithful as necessary to their salvation.
Yet this development of doctrine did not stop there, but attempts to justify everything from prayer to created beings in Heaven (nowhere seen or taught in Scripture - except by pagans - despite approx. 200 prayers recorded under the Spirit inspiration) to the Roman Caesario-papacy to the making of graven images for religious purposes and bowing down to them, and more. Newman again:
"...the rulers of the Church from early times were prepared, should the occasion arise, to adopt, or imitate, or sanction the existing rites and customs of the populace , as well as the philosophy of the educated class..."
"We are told in various ways by Eusebius [Note 16], that Constantine, in order to recommend the new religion to the heathen, transferred into it the outward ornaments to which they had been accustomed in their own. It is not necessary to go into a subject which the diligence of Protestant writers has made familiar to most of us."
"The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps, and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holydays and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields; sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the East, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison [Note 17], are all of pagan origin , and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.." {374} "The introduction of Images was still later, and met with more opposition in the West than in the East." (John Henry Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, Chapter 8. Application of the Third Note of a True Development—Assimilative Power; http://www.newmanreader.org/works/development/chapter8.html)
The reality is that to be deep in history is to cease to find the Catholic church as being that of the NT church, and thus RCs argue that faith in Rome is necessary to both know what Scripture consists of and means, which is contrary to how the NT church began. For under the Catholic basis for veracity, RC belief and submission is not a result of first examining Scripture (or seeing manifest Scriptural substantiation in word and in power) and therefore believing Scriptural Truth, and rejecting as doctrines that the NT church did not manifestly teach, but that church teaching is to be believed because The One True Catholic Church® taught it, and if challenged, then Scripture (as its servant) must be compelled to support it.
Thus as Cardinal Newman affirms,
“Christians have never gone to Scripture for proof of their doctrines until there was actual need, from the pressure of controversy...” — Letter to the Rev. E. B. Pusey" contained in Newman's "Difficulties of Anglicans" Volume II, Dignity of Mary; http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/newman-mary.asp
.“...there are doctrines which transcend the discoveries of reason; and, after all, whether they are more or less recommended to us by the one informant or the other, in all cases the immediate motive in the mind of a Catholic for his reception of them is, not that they are proved to him by Reason or by History, but because Revelation has declared them by means of that high ecclesiastical Magisterium which is their legitimate exponent.” — John Henry Newman, “A Letter Addressed to the Duke of Norfolk on Occasion of Mr. Gladstone's Recent Expostulation.” 8. The Vatican Council lhttp://www.newmanreader.org/works/anglicans/volume2/gladstone/section8.html
Which is akin to what another Anglican convert to Rome who preferred a king to NT leadership, Henry Edward Manning, who incredibly asserted,
“It was the charge of the Reformers that the Catholic doctrines were not primitive, and their pretension was to revert to antiquity. But the appeal to antiquity is both a treason and a heresy. It is a treason because it rejects the Divine voice of the Church at this hour, and a heresy because it denies that voice to be Divine. ”
"I may say in strict truth that the Church has no antiquity. It rests upon its own supernatural and perpetual consciousness. Its past is present with it, for both are one to a mind which is immutable. Primitive and modern are predicates, not of truth, but of ourselves.... The only Divine evidence to us of what was primitive is the witness and voice of the Church at this hour. — Dr. Henry Edward Cardinal Manning, Lord Archbishop of Westminster, “The Temporal Mission of the Holy Ghost: Or Reason and Revelation,” (New York: J.P. Kenedy & Sons, originally written 1865, reprinted with no date), pp. 227-228."
For Rome has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else she accordingly declares.
Which is cultic, not Christian.
No, moving the goal posts would be expressing that the canon was settled in the 5th century and was binding on "the Church," and then after being shown that it was neither (thus making Luther out to be a maverick who rebelled against a indisputable canon) to make the argument that of being in conformity.
Well guess what? You guys no longer get to claim sole ownership of the words "church" or "catholic". Semantic games like in the Catechism where other Christian assemblies are called "ecclesial communities" and only you guys can be "the Church", no longer pass the smell test. Maybe centuries ago when Rome grasped the temporal power to control everything in Christendom, but no more. ESPECIALLY in light of the revelations coming out concerning the sexual abuse scandals.
"Catholic" was an adjective that meant "of the whole" or "universal". The Vincentian Canon was the fifth century threefold test of catholicity - was it believed always, everywhere and by all. Though it may have in the early centuries, Roman Catholicism today doesn't qualify - no matter how much they stomp their feet and scream.
Demolisher Placemarker!
It's Coming Soon!
This is even BEFORE the angel had John to write to them 7 'Catholic' churches in Revelation chapters 2&3.
With such blatant error documented for 20 centuries or so; one would think the chutzpah of the OTC would have abated by now.
And now; a blast from the past...
A long time forgotten are dreams that just fell by the way The good life he promised ain't what she's living today But she never complains of the bad times or bad things he's done, Lord She just talks about the good times they've had and all the good times to come
In all honesty; there is a strain in Protestantism that implies:
We are "saved by grace" but then "KEPT" by works: we must keep DOING good works; or else we'll LOSE our salvation.
You've egged me on to repost...
 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, ' it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make words mean so many different things.' 'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.' |
In all honesty; TCOJCOLDS redefines words as well.
Had to think about that one a second!
And the effect is never that those things are sanctified but rather they lead away into idolatry, as happened time and again in Israel.
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“Mormon” is easier to pronounce.
I did not provide a summary. I posted them in the context of the statement in 503, where, perhaps due the Protestant ignorance of the Holy Scripture, these passages are said to be a "blaring contradiction" and "double-speak".
Roman Catholic double-speak that says we are "saved by grace" but then "judged according to our works"You are right that confirmed Catholics are called to explain the Holy Scripture but not to interpret it. I am a confirmed Catholic. If another confirmed Catholic wishes to bring my "summaries" into question, I'd be happy to discuss and ready to stand corrected.
“perhaps due the Protestant ignorance of the Holy Scripture, these passages are said to be a “blaring contradiction” and “double-speak”.”
Is that the “demolishing??”
I note it is again just an assertion and and insult.
The believer in Christ is not judged in the sense of if they go to Heaven or Hell.
16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:16-18 NASB
Truly, truly, I tell you, whoever hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment. Indeed, he has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24 NASB
"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. Mark 16:16 NASB
You are right that confirmed Catholics are called to explain the Holy Scripture but not to interpret it. I am a confirmed Catholic.
Ok...now this is double speak. If you're explaining Scripture you're interpreting Scripture.
And as Rome's own teachings show....you as a Roman Catholic lay member, your confirmation not withstanding, cannot understand Scripture on your own.
Rome has to explain it for you which leaves you in a pickle as Rome has only dogmatically defined a very small number of verses....less and 25 IIRC.
Right about confirmed Catholics? Maybe you are referring to one of the other people you pinged. Since I was at the top of the list, I assumed you were addressing me. I never knew about this little factoid, until you mentioned it, even though I am a confirmed ex catholic, so I couldn’t possibly be right about something I didn’t even know about, and never said in the first place.
I think you are playing word games again. Explaining scripture, and interpreting scripture, are exactly the SAME thing, except maybe not in YOUR world. Most of the time I disagree with your interpretations, oh sorry, your explanations. Am I always 💯% right? No, but on the only doctrine that REALLY matters, my interpretation (explanation) is totally and completely RIGHT. That is the plan of salvation. There is NO ROOM for false interpretation, oh sorry, explanation, of the plan of salvation. You either have it or you don’t. There is no middle ground. I have assurance of salvation. I am reasonably sure that you don’t. That’s on you bro, but I have no intention of waiting till the moment I die, to see if I make it to Heaven. Not going to happen.
Can you imagine, living your whole life, trying to attain salvation, only to find yourself standing tall at the Great White Throne judgment, and then being cast into the Lake of Fire? No way bro. Not going to happen. That is my interpretation, oops, sorry, explanation of the plan of salvation. If you push a different plan of salvation, ie, the Roman Catholic version, then of course, I will disagree with it, but I am comfortable with that. I don’t know about you, but I intend to have a nice eternity. If you don’t, well that is your choice. Just remember, it’s an eternal choice. Don’t mess it up. 😁😇😊😆👍
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