Posted on 08/17/2018 8:40:24 AM PDT by wardaddy
Cardinal Raymond Burke has called for “open recognition” of the Catholic church’s homosexual culture in light of recent revelations of sexual abuse. “I believe that there needs to be an open recognition that we have a very grave problem of a homosexual culture in the Church,” Burke said in an interview Thursday, “especially among the clergy and the hierarchy, that needs to be addressed honestly and efficaciously.”
he former head of the church’s equivalent of the Supreme Court said it was already “clear after the studies following the 2002 sexual abuse crisis that most of the acts of abuse were in fact homosexual acts committed with adolescent young men.”
“There was a studied attempt to either overlook or to deny this,” he said, referring to the mainstream media cover-up of the homosexual nature of the abuse as well as such denial within the church itself.
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It is nice for you and others to post your ecclesiological fantasies, and maybe one day I will find time to demolish them, on an appropriate thread.
If it is REALLY important; the apparition identified as MARY would have SURELY already made some kind of rambling comments about it.
Maybe next time...
Sarcasm. Well deserved sarcasm.
I thought you were the person with 'hope'?
1 Peter 3:15 King James Version (KJV)
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
Catholic traditions adds to the end: ...except to them mocking Prots!
I shudda read ahead.
Nah; takes to much effort...
HMMMmmm...
2 Kings 22
Halfway!!
I'm upset because of all off the IMPERSONAL insults to my intelligence tossed my way.
Sorry; but you've already shouted FIRE!! in THIS theater, and by golly; we'll have to put it out!!
As regards the oft-quoted Mt. 16:18, note the following Early Church Fathers promise in the profession of faith of Vatican 1:
• Basil of Seleucia, Oratio 25:
'You are Christ, Son of the living God.'...Now Christ called this confession a rock, and he named the one who confessed it 'Peter,' perceiving the appellation which was suitable to the author of this confession. For this is the solemn rock of religion, this the basis of salvation, this the wall of faith and the foundation of truth: 'For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Christ Jesus.' To whom be glory and power forever. — Oratio XXV.4, M.P.G., Vol. 85, Col. 296-297.
• Bede, Matthaei Evangelium Expositio, 3:
You are Peter and on this rock from which you have taken your name, that is, on myself, I will build my Church, upon that perfection of faith which you confessed I will build my Church by whose society of confession should anyone deviate although in himself he seems to do great things he does not belong to the building of my Church...Metaphorically it is said to him on this rock, that is, the Saviour which you confessed, the Church is to be built, who granted participation to the faithful confessor of his name. — 80Homily 23, M.P.L., Vol. 94, Col. 260. Cited by Karlfried Froehlich, Formen, Footnote #204, p. 156 [unable to verify by me].
• Cassiodorus, Psalm 45.5:
'It will not be moved' is said about the Church to which alone that promise has been given: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.' For the Church cannot be moved because it is known to have been founded on that most solid rock, namely, Christ the Lord. — Expositions in the Psalms, Volume 1; Volume 51, Psalm 45.5, p. 455
• Chrysostom (John) [who affirmed Peter was a rock, but here not the rock in Mt. 16:18]:
Therefore He added this, 'And I say unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church; that is, on the faith of his confession. — Chrysostom, Homilies on the Gospel of Saint Matthew, Homily LIIl; Philip Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf110.iii.LII.html)
• Cyril of Alexandria:
When [Peter] wisely and blamelessly confessed his faith to Jesus saying, 'You are Christ, Son of the living God,' Jesus said to divine Peter: 'You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church.' Now by the word 'rock', Jesus indicated, I think, the immoveable faith of the disciple.”. — Cyril Commentary on Isaiah 4.2.
• Origen, Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII):
“For a rock is every disciple of Christ of whom those drank who drank of the spiritual rock which followed them, 1 Corinthians 10:4 and upon every such rock is built every word of the church, and the polity in accordance with it; for in each of the perfect, who have the combination of words and deeds and thoughts which fill up the blessedness, is the church built by God.'
“For all bear the surname ‘rock’ who are the imitators of Christ, that is, of the spiritual rock which followed those who are being saved, that they may drink from it the spiritual draught. But these bear the surname of rock just as Christ does. But also as members of Christ deriving their surname from Him they are called Christians, and from the rock, Peters.” — Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew (Book XII), sect. 10,11 ( http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/101612.htm)
• Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II):
Thus our one immovable foundation, our one blissful rock of faith, is the confession from Peter's mouth, Thou art the Son of the living God. On it we can base an answer to every objection with which perverted ingenuity or embittered treachery may assail the truth."-- (Hilary of Potier, On the Trinity (Book II), para 23; Philip Schaff, editor, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers Series 2, Vol 9.
Please see post 236. And if you accept what Leo XIII stated, then why would you state, "The Church does not go by what is and what is not in the Holy Scripture"?
But, to get back on topic, if the scriptures are inerrant then why would the Catholic Church feel the need to "openly recognize" a homosexuality problem in the Church? It seems to me that if the Church wrote the scriptures as you claim, and Pope Leo confirmed they are inerrant, and you seemingly (if not grudgingly admit) that the Church follows the scriptures, then the solution should be to follow what you have written. Hopefully not stone homosexuals as in Leviticus but to put them out of the Church. I'm not sure what "openly recognize" the problem is suppose to mean given what you have stated.
Correct: Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: (Romans 13:1-3)
However, it must be said that in accordance with Scripture the state is not the sure standard for faith and morality in any nation, and thus in cases of conflict btwn the state and Scripture (which is not the case here) conscientious dissent is valid. The church as well as America began under that premise.
And the state should never have to do what the church is to do in disciplining its members, and it is a sad day when it must. And when the church protects those it is to prosecute then the state must. But which has its own dangers, fostering the size of government, which tends to end of taking a mile when given an meter.
In countries like China, Indonesia, etc.false charges can easily be lodged and are, as was in the case of Christ. In addition, its laws can vary, and governments themselves can be engaged in systemic rapes etc. Thus what it says cannot be the sure standard, nor what it does.
The key point to consider is whether or not the organization (the church, a school, a college, the boy scouts) is doing the “right” thing is if their first call after their lawyer and boss is to the police.
No: the church is not a secular school, and Scripturally the first call is to quickly and honestly take the charge seriously, call the eyewitnesses and determine whether they are true or false, and execute judgment accordingly, as i previously expressed.
Now, I dare anyone to do a search for Predatory Priests serving time. The number arrested and convicted is tiny. The amount of cases settled is huge.
Which church has been know to protect those it should have internally prosecuted for these transgressions against persons, publicly rebuking guilty pastors and defrocking them. And as said, since it did not function as it should then the state must do so.
A true acknowledgement of what we have often documented.
the Holy Scripture is itself the product of the Catholic Church. Meaning, I assume, that that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination writings and men being of God;
And that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that it is that assuredly infallible magisterium. Thus any who knowingly dissent from the latter must be in rebellion to God?
Or how else does the logic work that "we gave you the Scriptures, and therefore alone are the sure unreprovable standard on what it means/are a law unto ourselves?
Which church has been know to protect those it should have internally prosecuted for these transgressions against persons, publicly rebuking guilty pastors and defrocking them. And as said, since it did not function as it should then the state must do so.
Church has a lot of different meanings. The historical Visible and Invisible church are a pretty good way to look at things. The Visible Protestant church is next on the chopping block.
So, back to the remnant. Who the remnant are is God’s domain. If we are part of the remnant, what is the proper response?
I have often wondered what the individual responses were when the Prophet stood up and said, “you are going to be captured and carried away.”
He destroyed the Jewish Temple, why would we think he would not destroy the Roman Catholic Church?
Jer 31:33 “But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,” says the LORD. “I will put My instructions deep within them, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be My people.
Jer 31:34 And they will not need to teach their neighbors, nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, ‘You should know the LORD.’ For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know Me already,” says the LORD. “And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins.”
As always, get your Bibles out and read it in context. Sometimes that context is the whole Bible.
God got rid of the middle men, the physical temple, the priestly system, the old sacrificial system. What did man do, rebuilt it in the Roman Catholic Church. P does a variation of this also.
The new covenant is a direct relationship with God, ONE on ONE with his Holy Spirit living in us. Jesus even said to call him Father, think long and deep about that..............
“Our priest don’t snitch.”
The gang members on the south and west sides of Chicago say exactly the same thing. And dead kids be damned.
Sad to see the RCC has the same level of concern for innocents.
L
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