Posted on 08/17/2018 8:40:24 AM PDT by wardaddy
I agree: Trent dogmatically approved the canon that has not changed since at least the African canons. And, of course, other literature you mention has never been canon.
Again, this is off-topic here.
I can give you “reasons for the hope that is in me” as day is long. I don’t have to engage with silly gotchas with you as you are not disposed to learn, and it is off-topic.
And that proves... what exactly?
No mention of Popes or Vatican or canons or bishops or infallibility or Roman Catholic, just one verse that half your Catholic early church fathers claimed was Peter’s confession of faith.
And Peter himself says the rock is Christ anyways.
Even if we were to accept anything special about St. Peter, who is a better successor? Someone who claims to foow the teaching of the Apostles while wantonly sinning, or someone who actually DOES follow what they taught?
Try again.
Yes...that is when Rome made it official for their canon.
And, of course, other literature you mention has never been canon.
Not it hasn't....but Rome sure does rely upon them, and others, and considers their "tradition" to be equal to that of the Scriptures.
What gotchas?
I asked you to prove the claims that I find to be completely contradictory to the Word of God and the Apostles.
Your reactions have been sounding angrier and angrier.
If Rome is as Apostolic as you claim, it should be easy to show that Rome and the Apostles are in perfect accord.
If you don’t want to reply, that’s your prerogative. But I’m not going to stop asking questions and demanding proof of assertions.
“21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As jthe Father has sent me, keven so I am sending you.” 22 And when he had said this, he lbreathed on them and said to them, m“Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 nIf you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”
Sorry, I missed the part where Jesus commanded His priests to not share crimes with authorities.
Care to try again?
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Yes, the people might stop going to confession. That may or may not be good, depending on your point of view. I remember when I was a catholic, I was going to confession one day, and confessing some quite racy sins. The priest started asking some probing questions. I thought he was getting his jollies, so I lied to him about it. Never again did I EVER confess my racy sins, so it had the same affect, as if the priest snitched.
I wanted to know if it’s still true, that Catholics need a priest, to interpret scripture for them? Another thing. There isn’t a Free Republic thread, that’s ever been throd (I just invented a new word 😁) where every post has been right on the topic. This thread is no exception.
Yes, I've heard many Catholics espouse this view. But this is the first time I've ever heard a Catholic say that "the Church does not go by what is and what is not in the Holy Scripture". It certainly gives Catholics an opportunity to make up any religion they want-which seems to be what they have done.
I will add that it is refreshing, if not rather disappointing, to hear a Catholic admit that the Church doesn't accept the Holy Scripture as inspired. My how far they have wander from the early church fathers who revered the scriptures as "God breathed" and "inspired". It only underscore how far the Catholic Church has fallen away from the faith.
I guess it doesn't matter what God says about murder or homosexuality since the Catholic Church can choose to accept or reject it. But at least you still can confess your sins to one another-as if that will do any good.
Off topic, the Jewish fathers at the Jemnia Council only confirmed what was inspired in the Old Testament in 1 c. None of the New Testament ever uses any of the books established by the African Councils four centuries later.
But that is another discussion. And since you may or may not accept what is in the Old Testament, what difference does it matter?
The church that Jesus founded actually didn't get very large...Jesus started his church with the Hebrews...God's chosen people were the Hebrew nation and they rejected God thru-out most of their history...Jesus as the Son of God was sent to the same bunch with a different plan...
And we can see where that church was pretty small since it was Peter who was commissioned to preach to the Hebrews and after Peter was given that commission, Peter faded off into history...
And the fact that Jesus blinded the minds of those Hebrews when it came to Jesus' next church building program,
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
shows that that church would stay small...
The Church does not go by what is and what is not in the Holy Scripture; the Holy Scripture is itself the product of the Catholic Church.
It's perfectly understandable why Catholics do not go by what is and what isn't in the Holy Scriptures...The Holy Scriptures that your Church purports to be the author of illegitimizes the Catholic Church...
The big church; the all inclusive church of all nations; the church as we know it today was started by Paul the apostle thru Jesus...
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GOD forgives sin if asked. HE promised that he would.
NOBODY needs a priest to do it for God.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
That passage you claim supports your position doesn't.
While someone may be able to argue that Jesus conferred to His disciples the power to absolve sins, there is ZERO - NOTHING - NADA mention of their *heirs*.
That's just another Catholic fabrication.
The Catholic organization is not a church nor is it holy, by any stretch of the imagination.
The Roman Catholic church is not "holy" (i.e., see topic of this thread).
It is not "catholic" (which meant "of the whole") because many of her teachings were NOT taught or believed from the start.
It is not "apostolic" - because numerous teachings she claims are obligatory for salvation cannot be traced back to the Apostles nor are they found in any of their writings. There is no "Apostolic Succession", either. What was handed down was the rule of faith, not the office of Apostle that automatically conferred infallibility.
It is not THE "church" because, though there may be found in her genuine Christians, there are countless souls who do not believe in the orthodox Christian faith. Additionally, the TRUE, ONE church of Jesus Christ will only contain genuine believers - there will not be any chaff, weeds or goats among His Body and Bride in heaven.
So, although Roman Catholics have been told they alone possess the "true fulness of the faith" and outside of the RCC no one can be saved, God's word completely destroys that argument. Strangely, the catechism of the RCC even acknowledges that souls CAN be saved who are not Roman Catholic.
The real CHURCH is NOT a human institution, but is a spiritual habitation of which each believer is a living stone. No human institution can claim to be THE Church. Local assemblies of believers who join together to worship, learn, evangelize, set up charities and do good in the world for the sake of Jesus Christ are ordained by God to be lights for the world so that souls are won to Christ and God is glorified. What unites us is our shared faith.
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AMEN!
Preach it, sister!
The role of the Church is to bring people to salvation. That means, it should bring them, especially, the criminals, to confession. Our priest don’t snitch.
I don’t know how to explain it plainer.
In the Church of Mark17, you are free to tell people what to do.
We are Christians, we do what Christ tells us.
You mean like how ya'll are following the injunction against calling your priests "Father"??
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