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To: shanover
Lincoln did everything he could to save the Union and try to restore America to its original intent.

America's original intent was to be Free and Independent of the United Kingdom. To run their own affairs.

It seems to me that Lincoln very much fought against the idea of people being independent and running their own affairs.

In his Gettysburg address, he talks about what "our fathers brought forth upon this continent", "four score and seven years ago."

Well I did the math. 87 years before his speech was 1776? What happened in 1776? A collection of slave owning states declared Independence from a Union and fought to be independent, with their armies being led by a slave owning General from Virginia.

Commemorating a battle to stop other states from being independent, he cites the event of American Independence.

Very ironic.

84 posted on 07/20/2018 12:48:18 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Well I did the math. 87 years before his speech was 1776? What happened in 1776? A collection of slave owning states declared Independence from a Union and fought to be independent, with their armies being led by a slave owning General from Virginia.

And what happened in 1861? A collection of slave owning states declared Independence from a Union and fought to be independent, with their armies being led by a slave owning General from Virginia. Only that time they lost.

89 posted on 07/20/2018 12:58:38 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp
DL A collection of slave owning states declared Independence from a Union and fought to be independent, with their armies being led by a slave owning General from Virginia.

You are just not going to get away with that crap around here, man. There is simply no such actual event in history that fits your description above. It is either, “A collection of British colonies declared independence from a Monarchy” or “A collection of Slave States seceded from a Union”. Make up your mind ......... if it’s not too late. Once and for all get it straight man. One was a revolution, the other was a rebellion. Stop lying.

148 posted on 07/21/2018 9:38:55 PM PDT by HandyDandy (This space intentionally left blank.)
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To: DiogenesLamp; shanover; DoodleDawg
DiogenesLamp: "Well I did the math.
87 years before his speech was 1776?
What happened in 1776?
A collection of slave owning states declared Independence from a Union and fought to be independent, with their armies being led by a slave owning General from Virginia.
Commemorating a battle to stop other states from being independent, he cites the event of American Independence.
Very ironic."

Oh, it might be "ironic" if, in 1776, our Founders had invaded England and fought a great battle near, say, York, England, instead of at Gettysburg near York, Pennsylvania.
Then you'd have an exact parallel of our Founders attempting to destroy the United Kingdom in the same way Confederates attempted to destroy the United States.
Indeed, had our Founders invaded near York, England, they most certainly would have lost that war, for the same reason Confederates lost the Civil War: because they p*ssed-off average citizens of their parent country, and squandered military resources they could not afford to lose.

167 posted on 07/22/2018 4:12:23 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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