[DiogenesLamp]

LOL! Whenever I hear a Confederate supporter talk about Lincoln's violations of the Constitution or how Lincoln was responsible for big intrusive government I have to laugh. Obviously they know nothing of their own Confederacy and the abuses of the Davis government.

And I have to get disgusted, because what the confederates did, didn't have a f***ing thing to do with what the Government of the US Constitution did.

The confederates were under no obligation to uphold the USA Constitution. Lincoln was under such an obligation.

Their behavior does not excuse Lincoln's abuses. His abuses must be looked at as damage to our existing system as well as the greater threat to our nation, because his constitutional abuses are still having consequences for us today.

[DoodleDawg]

And I have to get disgusted, because what the confederates did, didn't have a f***ing thing to do with what the Government of the US Constitution did.

True. Their own constitutional violations and government excesses were done under their own regime. But if you want to blame big government on a president or presidents then even you would have to admit that Wilson, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, and the Bush's would have to bear much of the blame. Or maybe you wouldn't admit it.

[OIFVeteran]

They illegally rebelled against the duly elected government of the United States of America. Much like the democrats would like to do now, so the democrats haven’t really changed that much.

[BroJoeK]

DiogenesLamp: "The confederates were under no obligation to uphold the USA Constitution.
Lincoln was under such an obligation."

But Lincoln committed no abuses of the Constitution -- none, zero.
That's because the Founders and their Constitution well recognized that wars and rebellion can require different rules, on habeas corpus, for example.
Further there were no actions Lincoln took that were not at least mirrored by Jefferson Davis in the Confederacy.

Of course the fact that DiogenesLamp claims: what Confederates did "didn't have a f***ing thing to do with" it, merely proves that like all Democrats, DiogenesLamp lives by the Eternal Double Standard -- one set of rules for thee, but very different rules (or no rules) for me.

DiogenesLamp: "Their behavior does not excuse Lincoln's abuses.
His abuses must be looked at as damage to our existing system as well as the greater threat to our nation, because his constitutional abuses are still having consequences for us today."

But Lincoln committed no abuses, any possible exceptions forced by Confederates' waging war against the United States.
Indeed, I'd argue that if you consider the United States' four biggest wars -- Revolution, Civil & two World Wars -- Lincoln committed fewer "abuses" than Americans did in any of the others.

Virtually all the abuses we see in government today were started by the same Democrats who declared war against the Constitution in 1861, then continued to wage virtual war against it in the Progressive era, New Deal, Great Society & Obama socialist transformation.

Democrats hated the United States from Day One of our new Constitution (1788) and have fought from the beginning to make us into something we didn't intend and don't want.
The only real difference is 1861 Democrats defined "slaves" as people of African descent forced to work hard for no pay to support Democrat voters.
Today us "slaves" are anyone of any descent who works hard enough to pay ever higher & higher taxes to support Democrat voters.