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To: fwdude
>>>God bless the Southern Baptist Convention. For all of their faults, they are the only major Christian church group to my knowledge which has been steadily and increasingly disfellowshipping such apostate member congregations without apology.

Well, as a former SBC pastor who now pastors a network of independent house churches, I advise you to pay closer attention to the leadership. Yes, the churches themselves at the grassroots level is still solid. However, the leadership is starting to rot. The ERLC (Russell Moore) is a liberal who is in bed with the Gospel Coalition, who post such articles as "I'd rather have dead babies than support Trump." The leadership of the SBC is decidedly anti-Trump because they are trying to heal racial tensions and they feel the way to do this is not through the preaching of the Gospel...but through liberation theology.

There are numerous tweets out there by the leadership: Al Mohler; Moore, Ed Stetzer and others, that will set your hair on fire. In fact, the ERLC (the SBC's political action wing) actually worked somewhat in support of a free speech action to help a mosque get built in New Jersey.

Al Mohler (Southern Seminary president) has come out and repented about saying being gay was a choice...that they are born that way. It's on tape...and I've heard it.

The "revoice conference" (google: "revoice conference southern baptist"...read the first few articles...) that is being put on is being put on by a former SBTS student AND professor...and Mohler protege...Dr Nate Collins.

44 posted on 07/19/2018 5:43:50 AM PDT by NELSON111 (Congress: The Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog show. Theater for sheep. My politics determines my "hero")
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To: NELSON111
Yes, I'm well aware of the recent apostate comments of the high-level leadership of the SBC, hence my "all their faults" remark. I do think the grassroots will have to deal with the infiltration at the top eventually, as well as the increasingly apostate congregations, as they did with the SWBTS corruption several decades ago. If they don't, the denomination is sunk and quickly. (I have a vested interest in this group as my father was a graduate of that seminary and have been immersed in that culture since my earliest childhood.)

I've been repeatedly appalled by Russell Moore and, less frequently, by Al Mohler's comments. I think a very significant capitulation was the agreed meeting by the SBC president several years ago with a group of radical homosexual activists during the convention in Arizona. Although there was no purported capitulation on doctrine, there was a very softened tone of conciliation to the discussion, and the fact that the meeting happened at all, knowing that the sodomites wouldn't budge, was deemed a very great victory for the homosexual side. They "won" a place at the table, and that was their only goal.

45 posted on 07/19/2018 7:07:10 AM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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To: NELSON111
Wow! I just looked up your references on "Revoice" and Nate Collins. What a snake!!!!

It is hardly possible to hyperbolize how wicked this movement and worldview is. As bad as it is, they work overtime to wear a nice "face" and use the orthodox wording to hide their hideous goals. Most people, even good people, are even mildly conned by it.

47 posted on 07/19/2018 7:41:21 AM PDT by fwdude (History has no 'sides;' you're thinking of geometry.)
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