If the FBI has had no access to DNC computers/systems, how can they have evidence to indict?
So here’s the REAL question: Assuming that these indictments are based on actual and valid evidence, did the Trump campaign have ANYTHING at all to do with initiating or furthering such interference? If the answer is “no,” and the Trump campaign may, at best, have incidentally benefited from such action, then Mueller needs to close up shop. There no there, there.
FYI, for all those (most especially the liberal/Leftists friends and family of anyone reading this) who haven’t thought about the motivations for the Russians to interfere, consider these facts:
1) Russia, and before it the USSR, has always seen it as a benefit to itself to sow confusion and discord into Western democracies. The less confident the people of Western nations are in their governments, or in the very FORM of their governments, the less effective will be any Western response to Soviet/Russian military build-ups and aggressive foreign policy actions. I, personally, believe that this is the very reason for their interference - though I can surely be wrong (and then there is the possibility that they never actually interfered).
2) Separate and apart from #1, above, Dems, media folks, liberals and other assorted Leftist scumbags should be challenged with the following scenario:
Now, in view of these facts, you have before you 2 candidates for the American Presidency, and have to decide which of them you prefer to be elected as the American President - whether or not you are planning to use your intelligence assets to interfere with their election. Candidate One is campaigning on a platform that is calling for massive increases in American energy production and a very large military build-up, eerily (from your perspective) reminiscent of exactly what Ronald Reagan did in the 1980s that put extreme pressure on the Soviet economy, and was a primary factor in the Soviet Union’s collapse. Candidate Two is campaigning on a platform that makes little or no mention of a military build-up, and this candidate has historically been hostile to a large and robust American military. Further, this candidate also wishes to continue the Obama policies of strictly regulating and restricting the exploration for, and production of, fossil fuels within American territory. Finally, Candidate Two was closely involved in a (controversial, in the US) series of transactions that led to the sale of 20% of US uranium reserves to your nation and, simultaneously, “contributions” of approximately $145 million to a private foundation controlled by Candidate Two or that candidate’s family and close associates - and you have DETAILED intelligence files on the entire series of transactions, that could be used at any time to exert leverage over Candidate Two, if that candidate would win the election.
So here is your question: Which of these 2 candidates would you, as the leader of Russia, prefer to see win the American election?”
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NO ONE in the media - not even the people on OUR side, is discussing this. I simply cannot understand why these facts aren’t laid out to the public, regularly until they register, as a means of conclusively demonstrating that there could not possibly have been any “collusion” between the Trump 2016 campaign and the Russian government. This set of facts, alone, should shut down the Mueller investigation/witch hunt.
Since the obese, elderly, smelly, criminal liar (former SOS hitlery) broadcast her tens of thousands of secret emails through an unsecured server...what dies it matter anyway?
If no one was allowed to do a forensic examination of the servers/computers of the DNC, how are they able to determine the 5 W’s, and HOW?
Does Boris Mueller not see the extreme irony in this? He is indicting foreign nationals for hacking into the emails of a woman who threw these emails around like confetti at a ticker tape parade?
I wonder how much of it is actually true vs. how much was invented out of thin air.
There once was a time when I would have taken such a detailed recital at face value, but events have shown that the FedGov (including the DOJ/FBI, CIA, IRS, DHS, and others) can not be trusted to be truthful.
For FedGov agencies who at least superficially claim that 'sources and methods' of intelligence gathering must remain protected, they sure are putting a lot of stuff out there.
Brainstorming about how certain pieces of information might have been gathered leads either to conclusions that the FedGov made use of a massive and pervasive electronic surveillance network, both domestically and abroad, as well as massive and competent humint capabilities, or else there is a great deal of creative writing going on.
I suspect that the answer is "both".
I certainly understand that deception is a form of tradecraft that is necessary in certain realms, although I question whether that is allowed to extend to sworn declarations before a US court.
Is this Muellers’ second or third batch of Russians ,LOL
Even if true, it simply exposes what any good intelligence or military org would do to an opponent. Anyone really believe we’re not doing the same — and more — to any number of countries in the world? I guess Russia should counter-indict some of our intelligence folks...
...Brennan maybe?
Literally nothing that comes from Mueller/FBI/Deep State is reliable.
Lets also not forget that the *CIA’s OWN* set of cool computer hacking tools sent to Wikileaks had a really nifty application in the set that would allow you to make it look as if the computer hacking job came from any country you wanted to choose!
This DOJ is so full of s*** its comical.
I take it this story was republished from NBA.com?
Prelim to impeachment proceedings.
Gucifer is the alleged bad guy. Wasn’t he arrested?
Did he squeal?
They didn’t even let any law enforcement agency of any type come in to review or validate the “logs.”
It is no different then me saying Hillary hacked my bank account, so give her an indictment.
Ridiculous. ..
In absentia and they can’t prove injury nor have access to their DNC server....
Circus
The indictment totally exonerates the Trump team or Trump of any “collusion”. The Russian entities were pretending to be Americans and there does not appear to be any allegation in the indictments that anyone on the Trump team knew they were dealing with or communicating with anyone from Russia.
This should be the end of the Mueller “probe”. He found his Russian bogeymen and there is no evidence that any American knowingly “colluded” with any foreign power.
Love how Trump just stands by as his Justice Department continues to progress in removing him power.
All my liberal family members are all over me today on these indictments “See, see, the Russians did help Trump win.”
The Russians will turn up in court with a smart attorney...
Plead not guilty
Promptly request discovery...including the DNC servers
Oh, Wait...they are missing
Case dismissed with prejudice.