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To: x; FLT-bird; DoodleDawg; jmacusa; HandyDandy
FLR-bird: "Davis acknowledged as early as 1861 that slavery was going to end …"

x: "Show where."

Clearly Jefferson Davis expected slavery to end the same day as hell freezes over:

FLR-bird: "and had been urging the Confederate Congress to empower an ambassador with plenipotentiary power to agree to a treaty which would end slavery for a while before they did so in 1864."

x: "Documentation? Citation? Referenc"

FLT-bird has posted that piece of nonsense before (~4/28/18) and seen it exposed, here but now is back to it.
The events he refers to happened not of 1864 but of 1865, in the very last dying gasps of the Confederacy Davis sent Duncan F. Kenner to France & Britain offering abolition in exchange for recognition.
The French told Davis' emissary: sure, if the Brits go along.
It is now almost spring of 1865 when Kenner & others reach Britain and the Brits tell them: go to hell, go straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200, you boys are finished, hang it up.
In the mean time, RE Lee surrendered at Appomattox Court House.

FLR-bird: "[Lincoln] even offered strengthened fugitive slave laws."

Lincoln "offered" nothing, but did forward the proposed Davis/Corwin Amendment to the states, as required by the Constitution.

FLR-bird: "The original 7 seceding states turned down his offer because slavery was simply not their primary concern."

There was no "offer" and nothing was "turned down".
The proposed Corwin amendment originated with Jefferson Davis in December 1860 as his attempt at "compromise".
It failed and by the time Lincoln was inaugurated, the question of Corwin involved only thoser Northern Union states which did not secede.

FLR-bird: "Had the British kept a fortress in the middle of New York harbor and sent a heavily armed fleet to reinforce it, Washington would have fired upon it."

In fact British forces remained in New York for more than three months after their own superiors ordered them to evacuate it in August 1783.
George Washington was patient and waited until the Brits and their flags had been removed before marching into New York, seven years after first retreating from it in 1776.

642 posted on 06/30/2018 5:57:23 PM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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To: BroJoeK

FLT-bird has posted that piece of nonsense before (~4/28/18) and seen it exposed, here but now is back to it.
The events he refers to happened not of 1864 but of 1865, in the very last dying gasps of the Confederacy Davis sent Duncan F. Kenner to France & Britain offering abolition in exchange for recognition.
The French told Davis’ emissary: sure, if the Brits go along.
It is now almost spring of 1865 when Kenner & others reach Britain and the Brits tell them: go to hell, go straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200, you boys are finished, hang it up.
In the mean time, RE Lee surrendered at Appomattox Court House.

No I posted it before and provided the source and you’ve never been able to refute it.


Lincoln “offered” nothing, but did forward the proposed Davis/Corwin Amendment to the states, as required by the Constitution.

Lincoln by his own words offered strengthened fugitive slave laws and of course as we all know, masterminded the Corwin Amendment which he endorsed in his Inaugural Address. I’ve referred you to the Kearns-Goodwin book before.


There was no “offer” and nothing was “turned down”.
The proposed Corwin amendment originated with Jefferson Davis in December 1860 as his attempt at “compromise”.
It failed and by the time Lincoln was inaugurated, the question of Corwin involved only thoser Northern Union states which did not secede.

This is false. They were offered slavery forever by express constitutional amendment. They turned it down. The Corwin Amendment was Lincoln’s idea. It did not “fail” as you claim. The Original 7 seceding states simply refused to come back even when offered this blandishment.



648 posted on 06/30/2018 7:17:47 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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