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To: central_va; Impy
Strangely enough, after seceding over the "right to secede", the southern delegates drafting the Confederate Constitution conveniently FORGOT to include a "right to secede" in the Confederate Constitution (and went ballistic when West Virginia decided to secede from Virginia). Also, for people supposedly so hellbent on "States rights", they oddly decided to add further RESTRICTIONS on States Rights than had been done under the U.S. Constitution. For example, the Confederate Constitution explicitly prohibited states from being able to restrict the travel of sojourning slave owners, whereas the U.S. Constitution allowed states to make that determination rather than the federal government.

The framers of the Confederate Constitution make SURE to declare slavery was an eternal "right" that could NOT be abolished though. Sheer coincidence, I'm sure.

I mean, its pretty obvious to anyone who studies history that they only cared about the "right to secede", not the right to enslave human beings that they enshrined over and over again in their constitution and all their public statements about why they were seceding.

114 posted on 06/25/2018 4:59:14 PM PDT by BillyBoy (States rights is NOT a suicide pact.)
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To: BillyBoy
and went ballistic when West Virginia decided to secede from Virginia

The US Constitution does not allow the creation of a state from the territory of an existing state without the permission of that state's legislature.

But who cares what the constitution said? What has that got to do with anything in this debate?

whereas the U.S. Constitution allowed states to make that determination rather than the federal government.

It did not. Just because people say it did, doesn't make it so. The privileges and immunities clause required states to respect the rights of other states. You couldn't prohibit a lawful slave owner from traveling through a state.

I mean, its pretty obvious to anyone who studies history that they only cared about the "right to secede", not the right to enslave human beings that they enshrined over and over again in their constitution and all their public statements about why they were seceding.

That right was enshrined in the US Constitution. See article IV, section 2. I guess the Confederates just wanted to make certain it was clearer in their constitution because they had already had a bellyfull of Liberal "living constitution" misinterpretation of what the US Constitution actually meant about slavery.

Look up the constitutional debates on the subject. The Southern slave states made it clear that if slavery wasn't protected, they wouldn't be joining the Union. The Northern "free" states said that they would agree to it if was a sticking point over the formation of the new Union.

314 posted on 06/25/2018 10:54:02 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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