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Why parents struggle with Common Core math: “The diagrams are absolutely insane.”
San Jose Mercury News ^ | June 17, 2018 | Karen D'Souza

Posted on 06/17/2018 6:25:25 PM PDT by BobL

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Eight years after California adopted new standards designed to boost students’ critical thinking and analytical skills, it’s become clear that a critical group was left behind in the push to implement Common Core: parents.

The good old days of memorizing math formulas or multiplication tables are gone. Instead, Common Core math requires students to show how they reason their way to the right answer. As a result, many parents say homework is far more complicated than it used to be. For example, the right answer to 3×5 isn’t just 15 anymore, as one popular social media post noted. It’s 3+3+3+3+3. And it’s 5+5+5. The new methods leave many parents baffled.

“I despise common core math,” says Katie O’Donnell, a pediatric respiratory therapist who lives in San Jose and often uses math at work. Though she loves volunteering in her son Nima’s class, she admits she sometimes ducks out early because she’s embarrassed that she has no explanations for students who ask for help.

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To: Dawggie

“I guess they think that boys work harder when frustrated, but they are dead wrong on that one; they tune out.”

We still have to get into their minds...and why would they ever give a crap about boys, when you have a college rape epidemic, glass ceiling, and 72 cents on the dollar for women?

They’re not wrong, it’s WORKING PERFECTLY, to punish the people they hate...men.


81 posted on 06/17/2018 8:41:07 PM PDT by BobL (I drive a pick up truck because it makes me feel like a man)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Common core has two (unintended?) outcomes. when parents tell the kids the correct and straightforward way to answer a question the kid will say “that’s not how they did it in class! If I don’t draw a picture and count them all manually I’ll get a it marked wrong.” In this way they are taught a) their parents aren’t to be listened to and b) the government isn’t to be questioned.


82 posted on 06/17/2018 8:53:28 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Russians couldnt have done a better job destroying sacred American institutions than Democrats have)
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To: BobL
Until parents are able to accept the fact that Common Core is DESIGNED to screw over their kids, they will continue to waste their time trying to understand it and trying to 'teach' it to their kids.

That is the only explanation that makes sense to me, especially the way it was implemented. The homework sheets I have seen don't even have a problem done for example like all those in the past did.

I was determined to help my 2nd grade grand child with her math homework. She had no idea what she was supposed to do because they skip around so much. There was no example problem on any of her homework pages. I am not one to give up easily so I googled 2nd grade math images until I found one similar to what she was assigned. Once I knew the terminology for that assignment I went to you-tube and found a video with an instructor doing it step by step.

My grand daughter is sharp and she understood the lesson and did her homework, she got 100%. Her teacher asked her who helped her and she told her teacher what I did. I thought the whole thing was bizarre, it seemed as though she was not meant to understand it. I could not make sense of it until I read your post.

83 posted on 06/17/2018 9:03:06 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Please be a regular supporter of Free Republic !)
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To: aquila48
My Dad was studying engineering at USC when I asked him to help me with my "New Math" homework in 1967. He was so happy to help at first but then a half hour later after some cursing told me to tell my teacher "This isn't math." He slammed down the books and left. I don't remember what I told the teacher.

Recently I talked to an engineer who tutors math on the side as part of a STEM program. I told my story and asked what he thought of this more recent "New Math" of Common Core. He said this is also not math. I asked "what do you teach them, then? He replied "Math."
84 posted on 06/17/2018 9:07:24 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: BobL

85 posted on 06/17/2018 9:08:00 PM PDT by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: BobL

I read a white paper on CC earlier in the school year that explained their reasoning for CC math. The claim was that people who learn memorization (without visualization) have a harder time with higher math. (Here I agree to a point with the concept of teaching visualization. At some point, you need to be able to visualize the problem.)

OK, here is the kicker. Years ago in college (engineering) I noticed that after the second year most of the women had dropped out. The paper claimed that boys learn better by memorization and girls learn better by visualization and by stressing the visual they are making it easier for the girls at the expense of the boys. And that is why dad still teaches memorization.

See, your comment is not that far off base. Just wish I could find the paper.


86 posted on 06/17/2018 9:11:15 PM PDT by Dawggie
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To: Tammy8

“That is the only explanation that makes sense to me, especially the way it was implemented.”

While we don’t like to think of our friendly teachers, administrators, and textbook publishers as enemy combatants, if one looks at it from the other direction, it gets easier to understand.

Basically, the Left has politicized EVERYTHING they get their hands on, with the FBI and NFL simply being two of the more recent examples. So we give them our kids for 1000 hours a year - what would be UNBELIEVABLE would be if they didn’t throw their politics into the mix...which obviously is not the case. They have our kids - of course they will use them for their political objectives.

Once we’re at the point of understanding that we’re dealing with political operatives running the schools and especially setting the agenda, it then becomes possible to fight them on that level. But, sadly, we’re nowhere near that yet.


87 posted on 06/17/2018 9:18:13 PM PDT by BobL (I drive a pick up truck because it makes me feel like a man)
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To: jjotto

I have played this for my kids (along with the Elements song) and I have mentioned it to some of my kids’ teachers. They are in their 20s or early 30s, and have no clue that we already went through the “new math” back when I was in elementary school in the mid 60s.


88 posted on 06/17/2018 9:20:32 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: vannrox

I’ll sometimes do multiplication the common core way in my head to get a close answer if not the right answer. If I need the right answer I do it the right way.

But the common core way is not the way to teach it.


89 posted on 06/17/2018 9:26:48 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: vannrox

Look at the addition side of your diagram. The common core way still requires you to carry the 1 in the equation 23 + 7 = 30. If a kid understands carrying digits to the next higher column/factor, then the common core way is not helpful. The kid can just do it the right way and get to the correct answer faster and more easily.


90 posted on 06/17/2018 9:31:17 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: BobL

Satan thrives via sowing chaos and confusion.

Education is one of Satan’s Four Hidden Dynasties.

Draw your own conclusions.


91 posted on 06/17/2018 10:00:37 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!�)
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To: BobL

Yep. Common core is designed for parents to NOT be able to help their children learn. It’s a part of destroying the family unit. Making our next generations of Americans into citizens of the world.


92 posted on 06/17/2018 10:01:23 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Socialism is for losers.)
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To: BobL

Common Core math is easy. It’s easy for my children. It’s easy for me. I had trouble understanding why some concepts were being taught in first grade Common Core math. Few of the children I watched could figure it out at first. I think CC math makes some students frustrated due to advanced concepts being taught too early.


93 posted on 06/17/2018 10:09:28 PM PDT by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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To: AndyJackson
Therefore having rote procedures [e.g. learning your gozintas] is just fine.

OK. So my phone number is 646-969-3230. What are my gozintas?

94 posted on 06/17/2018 10:43:18 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: BobL

Practical math is a mix of rote and understanding.


95 posted on 06/17/2018 11:16:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: seawolf101

Or, even better, a triangle with sides of 5-12-13.


96 posted on 06/18/2018 2:35:00 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: BobL

Every word you said correct. Amazing anybody doesn’t understand you main principle.


97 posted on 06/18/2018 3:21:44 AM PDT by genghis
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To: BobL

Doesn’t 2+2=5 in an Orwellian world?


98 posted on 06/18/2018 4:15:46 AM PDT by HighSierra5
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To: BobL

When my kids were younger, I was exhausted every night by having to re-teach them their homework. Stuff we did as 2nd graders ... 4th graders were still struggling with. And this is a “good” school system.

Anything that involved repetition and reciting their work got the ax. So, you didn’t have the whole class reciting the times table in that sleepy bee-hive voice. Maybe recitation was hokey but it was another tool in the tool-box. Why throw them all out.


99 posted on 06/18/2018 4:30:00 AM PDT by Cloverfarm (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem ...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“Practical math is a mix of rote and understanding.”

True, but much tougher to develop the understanding when you don’t have the rote nailed down.

I remember first teaching my oldest kid arithmetic (long before he was old enough for the schools to start on him). I figured that if I showed him 2 apples and then 3 apples, he’d say there were 5 altogether. Pretty obvious to us, and the visuals would help with the understanding.

Forget it, even though he could count, he was clueless, simply guessing at the answer, and nearly always wrong. So I said screw it with the ‘understanding’ part, we’ll go straight to memorization, once he knows the answer, he’ll start to understand it. That worked great, even though it seemed counter-intuitive at the some.


100 posted on 06/18/2018 4:33:47 AM PDT by BobL (I drive a pick up truck because it makes me feel like a man)
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