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To: lee martell

I actually agree with this woman.

This is like the police stopping every car on the high-way. There has to be some probable cause. They cannot simply ask everyone for ID.


6 posted on 06/15/2018 2:23:44 PM PDT by Fai Mao (There is no rule of law in the US until The PIAPS is executed.)
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To: Fai Mao

May I see your passport please...is this YOUR bar of soap?


11 posted on 06/15/2018 2:26:38 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Fai Mao

I’m with you. Allowing the Border Patrol to do blanket and warrantless searches and ID stops invites OTHER police agencies to start doing the same thing and they already do enough of it.

Secure the border, I agree.

But if I’m not at the border then leave me the hell alone.


12 posted on 06/15/2018 2:26:50 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism.)
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To: Fai Mao

Pretty sure DHS and TSA can do it already. Correct me as needed.


13 posted on 06/15/2018 2:28:12 PM PDT by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?)
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To: Fai Mao

This is like the police stopping every car on the high-way. There has to be some probable cause. They cannot simply ask everyone for ID.


Have you ever driven out of San Diego?

About 30 miles north the border patrol has a checkpoint with little booth on each lane. You must slow down and they look into each car before waving you through.

The Supreme Court ruled this is legal many years ago.

There are only a few roads out of San Diego and I understand they put up check points on every one of them, but the one on Interstate 5 is the biggest.


16 posted on 06/15/2018 2:31:11 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (US out of the UN, UN out of the US)
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To: Fai Mao

This is like the police stopping every car on the high-way.

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Depending upon where you are this is already being done.


19 posted on 06/15/2018 2:33:30 PM PDT by deport
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To: Fai Mao
I actually agree with this woman.

Yep, me too. There must be probable cause here in the good old US of A.

23 posted on 06/15/2018 2:37:39 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Fai Mao

Concur.

No LE authority can do this. We don’t ask for papers here.

In a car, they can ask for your driver’s license.

On foot, they can ask to see ID, but you don’t have to provide it.

You can also ask why you’re being detained. You can also ask if you are under arrest. If they don’t answer, you can ask again until you get an answer.

If you have a phone, you can then say that at this point I’d like to contact my attorney. They can’t stop you, and it allows you to then take your phone out. If you think you are being stopped, having your phone in your hand is best, because reaching for it can be interpreted as reaching for a gun.

I forget how Murphy stops work, but reaching for your phone might trigger it.

If you have your phone in your hand, start recording the encounter for your own protection. It’s ‘he said, she said’, and the court is going to side with the officer, even if they are lying (which happened to me, and was refuted by the video evidence).

If the police lie in their testimony, nothing happens by the way. Nothing.

This only works if you are stopped while not being in a car. In a car, you have to produce your license and registration upon request.

If you are stopped at a sobriety checkpoint, what a mess. Best to just call your attorney while you are in line waiting. Completely unconstitutional, and yet many counties still do it.


37 posted on 06/15/2018 3:08:44 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Fai Mao
There has to be some probable cause. They cannot simply ask everyone for ID.

TSA-Airport--Every person

51 posted on 06/15/2018 3:51:23 PM PDT by Mark (Celebrities... is there anything they do not know? -Homer Simpson)
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To: Fai Mao

dito! If it had been TSA they would have detained her for a cavity check.


55 posted on 06/15/2018 4:51:05 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: Fai Mao

These “agricultural inspection” stations have been nothing but unconstitutional search points for drugs for decades... if they don’t see anything but suspect you’re transporting you can expect to get pulled over down the road for a taillight or crossing the yellow line... guaranteed.


57 posted on 06/15/2018 5:09:40 PM PDT by Neidermeyer (Show me a peaceful Muslim and I will show you a heretic to the Koran.)
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