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Roseanne’s Firing Is Not a Free-Speech Issue
National Review ^ | May 29, 2018 | KATHERINE TIMPF

Posted on 05/30/2018 9:09:46 AM PDT by reaganaut1

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To: DoodleDawg
Roseanne's tweet would not have cost them 1.3 billion. I doubt it would have cost them anything if people hadn't hyperventilated about it.

I think they are going to lose money on this deal.

161 posted on 05/30/2018 11:41:08 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: reaganaut1

Dear Katherine, the Planet of the Apes was a science fiction
novel, race was never mentioned in it.

Now then...

” The First Amendment protects us from facing consequences from the government over our speech, not consequences from our peers or our employers.”

If you think that Val Jarrett considers you her peer or that
she doesn’t have the power of a shadow government behind her
you are woefully mistaken.


162 posted on 05/30/2018 11:47:10 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Hostage

‘What Jarrett, Iger, Redstone are demonstrating is they can destroy anyone they please by calling them a racist even when untrue as in this case.’

Iger’s statement said nothing about her being a racist; he said it was ‘repugnant, abhorrent, and not in accordance with the networks values’...

how do you prove those statements false...?


163 posted on 05/30/2018 11:48:37 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Hostage
She would sue them because what she said is not racist. They said in the press that her comments were racist, No they were not. The Planet of the Apes has main characters that are White Apes, the film is not a racist film. The film’s theme is that the apes in the film were incapable of rendering justice, similar to Islam. Her statement could be construed as anti-Islamic, but not racist.

This seems a good time to bring this up. I have always been a big Charleton Heston fan, (actually met him back in 1994) and I read something he wrote years ago.

He said that while he was working on the set of "Planet of the Apes" he noticed a peculiar occurrence. All the cast members were human actors, but when it came to taking lunch at the studio provided lunch tables, he noticed the "gorillas" would sit with the "gorillas", the "chimpanzees" would sit with the "chimpanzees", and the "humans" would sit with the "humans."

Very little interaction occurred between actors playing different character parts. Each group self identified as the character type they were playing, and self segregated.

He said it opened for him a mental window on the nature of human social interaction.

164 posted on 05/30/2018 11:49:35 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
No. None of that is in jeopardy as a consequence of what Roseanne said.

Neither was the import business for New York in 1861 yet you insist otherwise on that as well.

165 posted on 05/30/2018 11:50:04 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DiogenesLamp

Rumor is that Channing Dungey met with Moochelle (who looks like a Wookie; or is that racist?) in the hours before canning Roseanne.


166 posted on 05/30/2018 11:50:48 AM PDT by Pelham (California, a subsidiary of Mexico, Inc.)
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To: reaganaut1

There’s no denying that what Barr said was racist...
How so?

How was it racist?

I wan’t an answer on that question too.


167 posted on 05/30/2018 11:51:21 AM PDT by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: IrishBrigade

Demonstrate their values.


168 posted on 05/30/2018 11:52:23 AM PDT by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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To: Sans-Culotte

“Some of you need to get out more.”

Are you saying we need to associate more with racists so we’ll know the terminology?


169 posted on 05/30/2018 11:54:43 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Sans-Culotte

So since it is CONSIDERED racist by the mentally ill, we must comply with their demands and cease and desist? Sorry, has anyone seen Patrick Ewings face. To not compare his looks to an ape is to deny reality. VJ, looks strikingly like Zira in Planet of the Apes, and apt comparison BTW.


170 posted on 05/30/2018 11:56:27 AM PDT by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: IrishBrigade

Repulsive in the context of charges of racism. They could be called to testify what they were thinking when Jarrett accused her of being a racist. Their comments were attached to that setting. They cannot escape it.

It was absolutely unnecessary to characterize the termination of their contract by coloring it as stemming from ‘repulsive’ comments. They needed only say “No Further Comment”. Their comments were out of bounds, wholly unnecessary.

Instead, they sought to punish, to damage her brand. They are liable for damages because she did not attack them. They attacked her.

Although they have every right to defend their bottom line, they do not have a right to slander. They can terminate a contract but have no right to attack another corporation “Barr” who did not attack them.

What if Barr had commented that Jarrett reminded people of some character from a strange Radical Muslim Klingon film where the Klingons were white?

Would Iger and Redstone have taken the same action? Yes. This is not about racism, this is about striking against any notable person or group that challenges one of their own country club members.

This isn’t even about Barr anymore, this is about political correctness, about free speech for all of us. As the President so aptly pointed out, they made no comments when he was called so many untrue horrible things. Their hypocrisy is on full display as usual.


171 posted on 05/30/2018 11:57:29 AM PDT by Hostage (Article V)
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To: PLMerite

Parent(s)? Not true.


172 posted on 05/30/2018 11:57:51 AM PDT by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: IrishBrigade
When I was in high school, my best friend was black. (And Originally from Baltimore) I quickly learned that he was hypersensitive about anything which can be construed to be an issue of race, and he literally looked for racism everywhere.

When we would go to a restaurant, he would take it as a sign of racism if he was served last, or if he wasn't asked what he wanted to eat first. If he got a ticket, it was because he was "driving while black". He would weigh every word that anyone said looking for a hidden racist significance in it, and he would often find things that he could interpret as "racist."

I later learned that there were a lot of other people who behaved this way, (not all by any means, I've had many friends that never behaved like this) and so I am no longer surprised when I see it manifested elsewhere.

I think Channing Dungey is manifesting this same behavior in regards to this tweet by Roseanne.

173 posted on 05/30/2018 11:59:27 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DoodleDawg
Neither was the import business for New York in 1861 yet you insist otherwise on that as well.

It was quite clear from the available information from that era that New York was about to lose 200 million dollars per year as a consequence of the Southern states becoming independent of Washington DC laws.

Oh, sure, they would have still kept their 25% of the overall trade with Europe, but most if not all of that remaining 75% of European trade would have moved to the South.

As you said earlier, it's always about money.

174 posted on 05/30/2018 12:05:07 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Pelham
Rumor is that Channing Dungey met with Moochelle (who looks like a Wookie; or is that racist?) in the hours before canning Roseanne.

I should not be surprised if this is true. What Channing Dungey didn't do was take a deep breath and act like someone who was clinically detached, as would any ordinary president of a large corporation.

I think she made an emotional decision, not a financial one.

175 posted on 05/30/2018 12:07:41 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
As you said earlier, it's always about money.

Except when it's even more about Slavery...

176 posted on 05/30/2018 12:13:18 PM PDT by sargon ("If the President doesn't drain the Swamp, the Swamp will drain the President.")
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To: snarkytart
Why was it wrong?

It should be obvious as to why characterizing a person of color as the offspring of 'Plant of the Apes' is distasteful. You may disagree.

We should skewer liberals for their politics - not their physical features.

177 posted on 05/30/2018 12:25:46 PM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: sargon
Except when it's even more about Slavery...

Which is another way of saying it's still about money. It's just that the money was going to different people.

Make no mistake. New York and Washington were both getting rich on slave money. They just pretended not to notice.

178 posted on 05/30/2018 12:30:08 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: JesusIsLord

“A person of color?”

Aren’t we all persons of color?

What are the politics of Islam and the book/movie “Planet of the Apes”?


179 posted on 05/30/2018 12:30:23 PM PDT by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Make no mistake. New York and Washington were both getting rich on slave money.

Maybe certain individuals and business interests were. But they were far outnumbered by millions of everyday Americans—people who weren't "getting rich on slave money"—who were willing to send hundreds of thousands of their sons and fathers to die fighting the South, in order to preserve the Union and fight for the Righteous Cause of ending Slavery...

180 posted on 05/30/2018 12:39:03 PM PDT by sargon ("If the President doesn't drain the Swamp, the Swamp will drain the President.")
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