Reaction: Jordan B Peterson Vs. Michael Eric Dyson MUNK Debate

What's goin' all ya'll. Chidi Dillibe back with another video. Just want to have a little brief talk about... kind of a summation of this whole "Monk" debate that took place a couple days ago between... mainly between Michael Eric Dyson and Jordan B. Peterson. There were two others involved, Michelle Goldberg and Steven Fry, but I'm not really going to get into the comments which they said, I think the crux of it really falls between the two individuals, Michael Eric Dyson and Jordan Peterson...

0:34 the whole debate was really kind of centered around political correctness and I think it's kind of like the... the title of it was What You Call Political Correctness I Call Progress, and basically to say that... Jordan Peterson's side of it was saying that political correctness gets in the way of actually healthy dialog, the reason being is that when you have a group of people, which we know today as the modern-day leftists, determining what you can say, where you can it, which group of people... basically, non-whites are the ones that can speak about certain things; if you're white you can't speak about certain things.

When you have people determining what you can and cannot say, it doesn't allow for a healthy dialog that leads to an actual healthy result. That's basically the crux of Jordan Peterson's point.

1:25 Michael Eric Dyson... = sigh = to say he's making points... he's trying to make some points, but nonetheless, he's of course saying that political correctness is leading us to the conversation that we would need to get to, the progress we need to get to.

1:41 But it really didn't get down to that because as Jordan Peterson, who's one of... if you've watched his videos, he's one of the most mild-mannered... he's a humble guy, he's an intellectual but he's also the same kind of guy that you can sit down and have coffee with and have a discussion, you don't clearly feel like you're talking to a guy who's PhD educated, you feel like you're talking to somebody who you can relate to and have a conversation with.

2:06 The difference with Michael Eric Dyson is Michael Eric Dyson is one of those guys, and if you've seen any of his videos, if you've seen any of his talks, it doesn't matter what he's on, whether he's doing a speech, or whether he's on a segment on MSNBC... he uses big words, he likes to bloviate, he likes to pontificate ad nauseum, and say things like that to stress, and to make you know and understand that he's an intellectual.

2:29 And these are the dangerous people, because these are the people who think they're so smart, that they're right.

2:35 And that's one thing that just turns me off about them, like... regardless of whatever your point is the fact that you're using all these big words, to try and kind of almost drown people out, like hey, I'm using such big words that you know I'm right because look how smart I sound, where that doesn't ... that's not really important.

2:54 And to me, I feel it's kind of a complex. He's kind of trying to make up for something. Because if you know you're smart, if you know you have knowledge, and if you know you have wisdom, then you don't need to rely on using big words to try and woo people over to your side, or make people feel that you're astute in what you say... either you know the truth, either you speak with logic and reason, or you don't. Big words don't matter.

3:16 So, that's another reason why I like Jordan Peterson, he just speaks to you like the common man, he doesn't speak to you like this high-minded intellectual.

3:28 The crux of it really broke down when... as Jordan Peterson is making his explanations on why he thinks the way he thinks about political correctness and the movement at large, Michael Eric Dyson comes at the... like... "Well bro, you're just an angry white man."

3:47 That's when everything kind of goes off the rails a little bit, because Michael Eric Dyson is a guy who's obviously worked hard, he's put in the hard work to get a PhD, he teaches at Georgetown University, that's a very privledged position, to be honest with you. I don't know many people who are able to get a teaching position at Georgetown University, and be able to... I think he's actually... came in and filled in for hosts on MSNBC, when certain people can't make it on their show, and so he's a very privledged guy, but then he condemns Jordan Peterson for his privledge.

4:22 I don't know many blacks who are in the position that Michael Eric Dyson is in, making the amount of money that Michael Eric Dyson makes but he speaks against Jordan Peterson, saying that you're a privledged... you know, you're an angry white male.

4:35 And so Jordan B. Peterson... Michael Eric Dyson is saying Jordan B. Peterson, it doesn't matter what you're saying, you know, you're position is not important, it doesn't matter, because you're an angry white male, so how dare you assert and speak against political correctness, who do you think you are, you're white and you're angry, you see.

4:59 The black angry man, who's an intellectual, or who has a PhD, the black angry man who speaks out against a certain topic of the day... you can't call him angry, he's passionate. See, there's the difference, there.

5:09 Michael Eric Dyson made Jordan B. Peterson's point right then and there. That political correctness gets in the way of healthy dialog.

5:19 Jordan Peterson is making points, he's making sound arguments to clarify, and make his points understood, and Michael Eric Dyson's response to that is "in my opinion, you're angry and your white, therefore bro, you're invalid."

Why are you even... you shouldn't even really be talking, you should be happy that you're white, and that you're viral, and people like you and people want to hear what you have to say... you should just be happy. You shouldn't even need to comment on the topic political correctness.

5:58 Which to me is extremely offensive because once again, it clearly states that what Jordan B. Peterson is talking about is proved in fact, that political correctness gets in the way of healthy dialog.

6:17 And I'll end the video on this. What it really seems like to me is that when Michael Eric Dyson... there's some envy going on.

6:26 I don't think he would ever mention it, I don't think he'd ever be bold enough and honest enough to say it, but I think that... Michael Eric Dyson has... has some... he's gone viral in the sense that he has this position, he's able to go on the debate, he has this TV show, he's written books and he's sold a lot of copies of books, and there's a lot of people both in the black community and in the left at large that respect Michael Eric Dyson, so he's viral in a sense, but he's not as viral, white hot, burning, off the charts like Jordan Peterson is right now and so there's some envy to that, and people respect what Jordan Peterson has to say, they'd like to hear what Jordan Peterson has to say, he's on BBC, he's on CNN, he's on Fox News, he's on all these different interviews, he's in all these articles, and Michael Eric Dyson right now is not.

7:13 And that, to me, him coming on and saying you're an angry white man, exposes his envy of Jordan B. Peterson. And that's sad, because you can't have a healthy debate with somebody if there's envy in your heart. You have to let that go, and just have the discussion.

7:30 so... just to wrap it up, I believe that Jordan B. Peterson won the debate, and when you look at the end result in the debate, more people thought that political correctness was actually a problem, so... you know, the reality of it was, it wasn't just the fact that I thought Jordan Peterson asserted his position better... the people that were there at that debate, and the people that voted said that he did it better too.

7:51 So... political correctness, we've got to get rid of that, 'cause it just gets in the way of people having healthy dialog and actually getting to an end result where we can get some understanding and try and find some kind of common ground. It's pretty hard as a conservative to find common ground with the left, but there are pockets where we may be able to find some, but political correctness will destroy any chance of that.

8:09 Anyways guys, that's my time. Thanks for watching the video, all you you have "liked" on previous videos and subscribed, I appreciate you. If you're watching this video please subscribe if you don't mind... I'll see you on the next one. I'm out.

That was interesting to listen to, but the left has no desire whatsoever with actually discussing political correctness. Every time you attempt to debate a leftist they degenerate into nothing but insults. Apparently, if the Dyson fellow didn’t have racism to rail about, he’d have nothing to say.

Well, maybe, but keep in mind that there are many components to "the left." Certainly those constituencies that are intellectually or economically invested in "the left" are untouchable by reason; they live in a bubble world, an echo chamber, that's like a cult in many ways.

But there are other parts of "the left" that it doesn't make any sense to write off.

For example, the young, and the very young. My daughter's a senior in high school, and my son's a college senior. Pretty much every one of their friends and acquaintances is a liberal.

Those kids are reachable. My daughter is a full-blown conservative, but she reports that some of her smarter friends are getting tired of the relentless propagandizing to which they are exposed by essentially every one of their teachers (except science, math, and Latin).

My son and I had a long talk about politics when I was driving him back to school last weekend. His views are not very formed, but he's influenced by his friends.

When I told him about the surveillance operations done by Obama against PDJT, it was obvious that was the first he'd heard of it. When I explained to him why it's important, why it's very dangerous if the law enforcement and national security intelligence apparatus of the United States is used by one political party to spy on the other, especially during a presidential campaign, he was alarmed. He had never heard about it, and had never thought about it before.

So don't be too quick to write off "the left." It's not a monolith.

So don't be too quick to write off "the left." It's not a monolith.

I'd not say that I "write off" the left, but I don't really have the inclination anymore to give them the benefit of the doubt. I generally ignore them unless I can't avoid it, because there is no logic or reason to them despite their protests to the contrary.

One thing I noticed about that 'debate' was that they apparently couldn't locate two actual conservatives to participate in it. At best Peterson is a classical liberal, and I suspect Fry isn't even that, though they both deplore the excesses of modern illiberal 'liberalism'.

Another is that Peterson missed a major opportunity when Dyson called him an "angry white man". IMO, his best response to that would have been to point out how inevitable it is that when arguing with a modern liberal, that they always stoop to name calling, because they don't really have anything else to say.

I've listened to quite a lot of Jordan Peterson, and I haven't heard him say anything I disagree with, not even slightly. I'm not aware of any deviation between his views and mine. I admit that I'm not sure of his views on the RKBA, but he is a Canadian, not an American, so there's no particular reason for him to volunteer his views on that subject.

He doesn't identify himself as a "Conservative" for reasons that he keeps to himself, as far as I know. He seems to be a person who simply follows facts and history to their logical ends, and takes his own conclusions seriously. He is so well educated, and his logical faculties are so powerful, that his conclusions strike one as worthy of full belief.

If you've listened to his lectures you know that he can be very funny at times, seemingly without meaning to, and that he is willing to admit surprisingly intimate details of his own thinking, such as by talking about problems that he has not been able to figure out. He's also willing to poke fun at himself.

He has put himself on record as stating he would defy Canada's laws against hurtful speech, would refuse to pay any fine levied against him for breaking those laws, and would go to prison before apologizing for doing so.

If he's a classical liberal, than I'm a classical liberal too.

OK, if that's your style. I've found that it's more effective to let others reach their own conclusions about what motivates liberals, rather than explicitly pointing out those motives. It's more a style of debate than a missed opportunity, in my view. There is such a wealth of Conservative views available today from many sources, that anyone who begins to go down the path that leads from the liberal swamp to the truth of Conservatism will readily find encouragement and reinforcement on their own, which is the best way to find it.

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