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Deadly Convenience: Keyless Cars and Their Carbon Monoxide Toll
NY Times ^ | 13 May 2018 | David Jeans and Majlie De Puy Kamp

Posted on 05/13/2018 8:55:26 AM PDT by oh8eleven

On a summer morning last year, Fred Schaub drove his Toyota RAV4 into the garage attached to his Florida home and went into the house with the wireless key fob, evidently believing the car was shut off. Twenty-nine hours later, he was found dead, overcome with carbon monoxide that flooded his home while he slept.

“After 75 years of driving, my father thought that when he took the key with him when he left the car, the car would be off,” said Mr. Schaub’s son Doug.

Mr. Schaub is among more than two dozen people killed by carbon monoxide nationwide since 2006 after a keyless-ignition vehicle was inadvertently left running in a garage. Dozens of others have been injured, some left with brain damage.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: autosafety; keylessignition
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To: BobL

I haven’t left the car running in the garage but I once had to walk back to the car to figure out why it wouldn’t lock with the fob. It was still running, took me a minute to figure out why because I couldn’t hear the engine.


101 posted on 05/13/2018 11:06:31 AM PDT by dangerdoc
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To: oh8eleven

The controls are also very prone to computer glitches. Often they cause more problems than their ‘convenience’ creates.


102 posted on 05/13/2018 11:08:42 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: napscoordinator

I do it as well. I am in and out of the car all day. When in a hurry. I sometimes forget to even shut off the car. The fact that I can not get the key out without putting it in to park is a benefit.


103 posted on 05/13/2018 11:10:46 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: dragnet2

I just do not see it as a convenient piece of equipment.

It seems more silly than convenient.


104 posted on 05/13/2018 11:12:11 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: BobL

Why does every single post have to turn political? This article is about keyless cars and has absolutely nothing to do with politics. There is more to life than politics.
One track minds I guess.


105 posted on 05/13/2018 11:12:15 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Spktyr

I am married and have five sons. We hang our keys up at the door. That way if we have to move cars, we can do so without allot of yelling for other people.


106 posted on 05/13/2018 11:13:39 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: SamAdams76

Really? How lazy have we become?


107 posted on 05/13/2018 11:14:39 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Spktyr

“-———watch her spend 10 minutes trying to find the keys in her purse.”


Ten minutes? Exaggerate much?

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108 posted on 05/13/2018 11:18:29 AM PDT by Mears
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To: oh8eleven

I don’t get it. I thought one didn’t need the key to START the car, but still had to turn and remove the key to STOP.

Our newest car is like that. I don’t get how one could have the key and the car is still running.


109 posted on 05/13/2018 11:18:31 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: BobL

What kind of idiot doesn’t use a garage for a car?


110 posted on 05/13/2018 11:19:21 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Federal-run medical care is as good as state-run DMVs.)
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To: dangerdoc

I hear you. Decades ago my mom actually left her keys in the car with the engine running for about 11 hours. She parked at the train station, the train was just coming in, so very loud and a big rush. She had just topped off her gas tank the day before...not quite as much when she got back, but the big American engine putted on like a champ!


111 posted on 05/13/2018 11:20:48 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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To: Jim from C-Town
Equating keyless fobs to laziness is a weak argument.

If we were truly lazy, we wouldn't drive automobiles at all.

Human progress will always make life relatively easier but will also introduce new complexities to life that earlier generations will find overwhelming. Imagine pulling a farmer from the 1800s and putting him in a modern John Deere tractor. He'd likely shrivel up into the fetal position and beg to be put back on his mule.

112 posted on 05/13/2018 11:21:00 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: sheana

It’s time that our side ENGAGES - everything is political with the Left and they will keep defeating us, if we don’t do the same.


113 posted on 05/13/2018 11:21:52 AM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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To: BobL

I park our car in the garage all the time. I turn the car off before I get out. I get annoyed when my husband starts the car and then goes inside for something because he has a tendency to forget that the car is on.


114 posted on 05/13/2018 11:23:52 AM PDT by petitfour (APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
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To: TexasGator

Wouldn’t you want a limited range so the car would turn off when you left?


115 posted on 05/13/2018 11:25:28 AM PDT by raybbr (That progressive bumper sticker on your car might just as wll say, "Yes, I'm THAT stupid!")
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To: oh8eleven

What is so hard about installing a $30 CO detector in the house? Takes about 5 minutes. People like keyless ignition because you don’t have to dig the fob out of your purse or pocket.


116 posted on 05/13/2018 11:25:47 AM PDT by willk (everyone)
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To: SamAdams76

I just don’t see it as a convenience.

Sorry. What are the benefits that exceed the potential hazards?

You can start a car by pushing a button, I can start it by turning a key. I don’t see the big time saver. You still need the fob/key and when I want to exit the car. I am unable to remove the key if the car is not in park and I lock the car by using the key fob.


117 posted on 05/13/2018 11:27:50 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

“The controls are also very prone to computer glitches. Often they cause more problems than their ‘convenience’ creates.”

Please provide data to support your fake news ...


118 posted on 05/13/2018 11:29:17 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z1)
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To: BobL

So politics on articles about keyless cars. Got it. That’ll crush them for sure.


119 posted on 05/13/2018 11:32:53 AM PDT by sheana
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To: BobL

Huh?

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120 posted on 05/13/2018 11:36:23 AM PDT by Mears
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