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Scouts' Honor?
Steyn On-line ^ | May 4, 2018 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 05/05/2018 6:04:02 AM PDT by Twotone

Two nights ago with Tucker Carlson, I discussed the decision of the Boy Scouts of America to drop the "Boy" bit. The ruination of a great civilizing institution has been accomplished in a mere two decades. As I wrote three years ago:

In the late Nineties, the BSA said no to gay scoutmasters. I was on the floor of the Democratic Convention in Los Angeles in 2000 when they had some Eagle scouts as an honor guard - and in my section of the crowd everyone booed. And I remember thinking, "Man, these Dems are nuts. Booing boy scouts?"

But the booers won. Over the next decade, gay-friendly churches (Episcopalian, Congregational, and the other post-Christian ones) booted the scouts from church halls where they'd met for decades; Disney cut them off the list of approved charities to which their employees were permitted to donate their "Ears To You" fundraising proceeds; other corporate benefactors from the US soccer league to Lockheed Martin severed their ties ...and the number of new recruits to scouting dwindled remorselessly, and so did their finances. And in the end the boy scouts' leader caved - but too late. In the blink of an eye, the boy scouts had been, as my friend Ezra Levant likes to say, "de-normalized", and banished to the fringe, and nice soccer mommies don't want l'il Jimmy playing on the extremist fringe.

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61 posted on 05/05/2018 1:14:42 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (We're even doing the right thing for them. They just don't know it yet. --Donald Trump, CPAC '18)
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To: Thibodeaux; UpInArms

I agree with UpInArms. Your entire argument seems based upon the premises that the psychological needs of boys and girls are the same, and if not, then the presence of girls has negligible effect upon male socialization and character building, both of which are obviously false.


62 posted on 05/05/2018 1:30:29 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (President Trump divides Americans . . . from anti-Americans.)
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To: Thibodeaux

I took our middle daughter to our Cub Scout “Cub On” in the Santa Cruz mountains when she was about 11 (16 years ago). She had so much fun learning archery, knife handling, whittling, firearms safety, canoeing, and lots more. I think she had way more fun than her brother who was two years younger.


63 posted on 05/05/2018 1:49:03 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Drumbo

“..At first the changes came subtly. The infiltration was almost imperceptible and leadership resisted many of the changes. Eventually, they collapsed and BSA is unrecognizable.”

That is also what happened to mainline churches, school administrations, universities and politics. Exactly!!!


64 posted on 05/05/2018 1:56:04 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said theoal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elpadre
That is also what happened to mainline churches, school administrations, universities and politics. Exactly!!!

All according to the Antonio Gramsci plan.

65 posted on 05/05/2018 2:03:50 PM PDT by bankwalker (Immigration without assimilation is an invasion.)
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To: Twotone

Somewhere Lord Baden-Powell weeps. This is anthesis of every thing he stood for.


66 posted on 05/05/2018 2:53:54 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Albion Wilde

The fact that scouting in the US is a program for pre-pubescent children escapes notice. Most young scouts are not interested in sex of any kind. Having been a scout leader for a number of years the transition was always obvious. Showers went from being mandatory to voluntary. All of a sudden deodorant and cologne appeared. The leaders called the phenomena the fumes if the perfume did not get them the gasoline fumes would. The most masterful scout leaders were always the LDS units eagle them out at 14 or 15. The attempt to retain cadre by adding girls to the mix may work for a time but there already were Venture units where that was the order of the day. My son procrastinated and turned in his eagle book on his 18th birthday. He had been a star scout for 5 years and finally got motivated. Being summer camp staff has some added benefits. BTW there were lots of girls on summer camp staff too.


67 posted on 05/05/2018 3:15:35 PM PDT by scottteng (Why fight it out lets split up the country peacefully now)
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To: Thibodeaux
The BSA is not only alive but well.

The BSA is losing membership rapidly. The reason for allowing girls in is to replace the dues lost by exiting families and churches. The BSA is top heavy with "professional" scouters who need to get regular paychecks.

The nature of the organization has changed but the Scout Oath and Law have not

The Oath and Law are hollow recitations. "Physically strong"? Count the potbellies on the scout leaders at your next scouting meeting. "Mentally awake"? If that were so, they would not have fallen for the homosexual propaganda. "Morally straight"? LOL.

68 posted on 05/05/2018 3:23:23 PM PDT by T Ruth (Mohammedanism shall be destroyed.)
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To: Thibodeaux
The current BSA experiment will attempt to solve that problem of discrimination with in families. The effort to recruit girls might not even work and will need to be abandoned.

That's all very progressive. Discrimination within families, you say.

When, pray tell, will it be decided if the change "works" for boys? Does anyone care?

Who's looking out for them? I've seen no mention of it, at all.

69 posted on 05/05/2018 3:46:26 PM PDT by gogeo
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To: cherry

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70 posted on 05/05/2018 4:05:35 PM PDT by silverleaf (A man who kneels for the national anthem doesn't stand for much of anything)
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To: Twotone

Love Steyn.


71 posted on 05/05/2018 4:07:16 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: BobL; Thibodeaux
Foolish post indicating your ignorance

But he's right.

72 posted on 05/05/2018 4:28:27 PM PDT by Does so (Let's make the word Mohammedism--adding it to other ISMs...)
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To: gogeo

“Who’s looking out for them? I’ve seen no mention of it, at all. “

Liberals are stupid and ignorant and turn everything into experiments because they don’t know anything. They could care less about results and who it harms because only their intentions are to be judged.

Hence the use of the retarded phrase, “discrimination with in families”.


73 posted on 05/05/2018 4:37:48 PM PDT by CodeToad (The Democrats haven't been this pissed off since the Republicans took their slaves away.)
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To: tbw2

they left out the Catholic group.


74 posted on 05/05/2018 6:53:20 PM PDT by Coleus (For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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To: Coleus

What group is that?


75 posted on 05/05/2018 7:59:17 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Bryanw92

The Traditional Christian America should be leaving the Progress America in the dust, in population growth (raw democratic power), but we’re waiting till our 30s to get married and exterminating our conceptional offspring with hormonal birth control.


76 posted on 05/05/2018 11:31:58 PM PDT by Theophilus (Repent)
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To: CodeToad

Total BS.

You miss the point. There are in reality no queers. There are fewer queers in BSA than in Catholic churches and protestant choirs. There are fewer queers in BSA than school.


77 posted on 05/06/2018 4:53:44 AM PDT by Thibodeaux (Long Live the Republic!)
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To: gogeo

Progressive? Building families and family values is a primary conservative value.

In your effort to be critical you step on your own toes


78 posted on 05/06/2018 4:55:54 AM PDT by Thibodeaux (Long Live the Republic!)
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To: Theophilus

>>The Traditional Christian America should be leaving the Progress America in the dust, in population growth (raw democratic power), but we’re waiting till our 30s to get married and exterminating our conceptional offspring with hormonal birth control.

This is because we aren’t an agricultural nation that needs to produce farm hands. We also have a very low child mortality rate, so we don’t need to produce extra children to cover expected losses.


79 posted on 05/06/2018 5:36:54 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: Thibodeaux

“There are in reality no queers.”

BS. You’ve haven’t met them all.


80 posted on 05/06/2018 5:57:19 AM PDT by CodeToad (The Democrats haven't been this pissed off since the Republicans took their slaves away.)
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