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Finland's Flirtation With "Free" Money For The Jobless To End (Universal Basic Income)
CBS News ^ | 4-24-2018

Posted on 04/24/2018 4:12:26 PM PDT by blam

Finland's government has decided not to continue its year-old experiment offering citizens a universal basic income -- or money for nothing -- beyond the two year trial. In January 2017, Finland became the first country in Europe to pay some of its unemployed citizens a basic monthly income, amounting to 560 euros ($587), in the unique social experiment aimed at cutting government red tape, reducing poverty and boosting employment.

On Tuesday, it emerged that the government had decided to stop making the payments to the 2,000 randomly picked citizens chosen as subjects in the experiment from January 2019. The government denied a request from its own social benefits agency, KELA, to expand the program.

The experiment will have run its full, two year intended course when the payments stop at the beginning of next year.

"The government is making changes taking the system away from basic income," a KELA official told the Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet, according to Britain's Guardian.

Some at KELA were clearly disappointed in the decision to end the experiment, with one of the researchers, Olli Kangas, telling public broadcaster YLE that even the two year trial was "too short a period to be able to draw extensive conclusions from such a big experiment. We should have had extra time and more money to achieve reliable results."

Those chosen 2,000 participants have received the monthly payments without any reporting requirements on how they spend it. The amount was deducted from any benefits they were already receiving.

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KEYWORDS: delusionalsystem; finland; freemoney; helicoptermoney; socialism; ubi; universalbasicincome
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1 posted on 04/24/2018 4:12:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

OK, how is paying someone not to work going to boost employment?


2 posted on 04/24/2018 4:16:19 PM PDT by redfreedom
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To: blam

Wow, who thought this would ever come crashing down?


3 posted on 04/24/2018 4:17:05 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: blam

Leftist logic:

Why should we stop this test? The public hasn’t run out of 100% of their money yet.


4 posted on 04/24/2018 4:17:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs..)
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To: blam

Gee I wonder what went wrong?


5 posted on 04/24/2018 4:19:21 PM PDT by Fhios (Mr. Magoo, where are you?)
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Gee I wonder what went wrong?


Huh, they didn’t say......................


6 posted on 04/24/2018 4:24:47 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: blam

The trial aimed to discourage people’s fears “of losing out something,” he said, explaining that the participants would continue to receive the 560 euro payments even if they found jobs.

The thinking was that a jobless person might refuse a low-income or short-term job in the fear of having their financial benefits reduced drastically under Finland’s generous but complex social security system.


So what was learned?


7 posted on 04/24/2018 4:27:08 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: blam

Swiss voters last year rejected a proposal that would have guaranteed that all residents receive roughly $2,560 per month to help cover their basic needs.


The voters and politicians don’t agree?


8 posted on 04/24/2018 4:28:14 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: redfreedom

“OK, how is paying someone not to work going to boost employment?”

In other schemes the idea was they would buy stuff; cars, apartments, food, TV’s. Having dealt in the rental business I can tell you that people in this position will spend their money on cigarettes, beer and pot before they buy even food.


9 posted on 04/24/2018 4:28:17 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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the unique social experiment aimed at cutting government red tape, reducing poverty and boosting employment.

the way to reduce poverty and boost employment is to give businessmen a positive environment by reducing taxes, cutting regulations, increasing security of property by protecting property rights, and providing a stable monetary system by controlling inflation.

10 posted on 04/24/2018 4:46:31 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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“Finland's Flirtation With “Free” Money For The Jobless To End (Universal Basic Income)”

For those old enough to remember, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was demanding the same thing in 1968 although then it was called a “guaranteed annual income.” A massive “Poor People's Campaign” was being planned for Washington D.C. at the time the civil rights leader died in Memphis.

The “Poor People's Campaign” was to feature a tent city in Washington with tens of thousands of demonstrators and continuous urban disruptions until demands were met.

11 posted on 04/24/2018 4:52:51 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: blam

Someone inform Bernie please. Calling Bernie Sanders.


12 posted on 04/24/2018 5:25:08 PM PDT by lucky american (Progressives are attac Iking our rights and y'all will sit there and take it.)
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To: blam


13 posted on 04/24/2018 5:37:58 PM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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Free Sh*t works just fine here.
Look at the millions who have flooded the USA for free sh*t.


14 posted on 04/24/2018 5:55:47 PM PDT by OldArmy52 (Nazi concentration camps are proof that banning guns works.)
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100%!!!
15 posted on 04/24/2018 6:00:24 PM PDT by Chode (You have all of the resources you are going to have. Abandon your illusions and plan accordingly.)
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To: blam

...but if we do it here, we’ll do it right. I PROMISE !!!!


16 posted on 04/24/2018 6:24:14 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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To: Gen.Blather

“Having dealt in the rental business I can tell you that people in this position will spend their money on cigarettes, beer and pot before they buy even food.”

You forgot lottery tickets.


17 posted on 04/24/2018 6:25:27 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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To: jeffersondem

“The “Poor People’s Campaign” was to feature a tent city in Washington with tens of thousands of demonstrators and continuous urban disruptions until demands were met.”

Isn’t that today’s Los Angeles?


18 posted on 04/24/2018 6:26:09 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's...I just don't tell anyone)
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“Isn’t that today’s Los Angeles?”

Dr. King was ahead of his time.

19 posted on 04/24/2018 6:55:47 PM PDT by jeffersondem
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To: redfreedom

The theory from liberals:
* they’ll go to school and become better prepared for work!
* the parents can stay home until childcare isn’t an issue, cheaper than standard welfare
* those with disability will recover and then go to work
* we assume they’ll improve themselves like taking low paying jobs and classes because they don’t have to hunt for a degrading high paying job
* maybe they’ll be able to start a business that they couldn’t when afraid of how they’d pay the bills


20 posted on 04/24/2018 7:49:17 PM PDT by tbw2
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