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To: Cronos
Okay. None of the items mentioned "keep me up at night" - except maybe the prospect that socialists are going to successfully force them on us.

1) Health care in the United States is the best in the world, despite what you and/or Michael Moore say.

2) Nothing is free. Somebody is paying for your "free" child care. Furthermore, it has been my experience that goods and services are generally worth what one pays for them. As far as I am concerned "free child care" equates to "turn your child over to the state for indoctrination". Remember how well that worked in Germany in the 1930s?

3) Isn't it wonderful that a government can be so "generous" with other people's money?

4) I can't argue with you there. Our higher-education system is currently a joke. I blame it not just on colleges jacking up tuition prices because of the easy availability of student loans, but also on moronic leftists who persist in claiming the "everyone should go to college". The fact is, not everyone is cut out for college.

With that said, I will disagree with you until the day I die that widespread socialism is "worth it". What is "worth it" is having a government that provides equality of opportunity, without trying to assure equality of outcome.

When people are not required to bear the consequences of their own decisions (good or bad) they become dependent on the government. That is exactly what tyrants want, and tyranny is always the end result when a people are [successfully] encouraged to be dependent upon the "free" things given them by their "benevolent" government.

81 posted on 04/18/2018 5:39:39 AM PDT by WayneS (An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill)
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To: WayneS
#1. I don't give a rats @$$ what fatty Moore thinks or says. The last I ever saw of him on telly was back in 2004 when he was on some interview or the order telling folks not to vote Bush (I remember I had a great car tag - W42K4)

And I didn't say the USA doesn't have the best healthcare money can buy - my statement was America spends too much on health for far lower levels of service - the U.S. has some of the finest physicians and medical facilities in the world. It has the best bleeding edge research and facilities. But I am talking about the overall medical care and payment structure -- that is a mess and Obamacare made it worse. while America has some of the best medical providers in the world, the overall system lacks the structure and clarity to allow its citizens to effectively take advantage of this fact.

I don't know the solution, but I can tell you that the German system works pretty well -- however, as I said above, this can't be picked up and dropped in the USA. I PERSONALLY, think the world's best system is the Singaporean one and that is purely market driven. however again, will something that works for a city-state work for a continent sized?

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#2 It's not Free -- the Germans pay huge taxes for this. I know that my own taxes in Poland go to providing the education system - and I'm happy to pay that amount even for others as we end up with a better educated workforce.

The Child care referred to is for pre-schoolers. I can't comment on Germany, but in Poland the Church has a role to play and parents vigorously prevent any gender propaganda

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#3. I dont' mind the governmetn being generous with MY money if I get value for it -- and ti is run efficiently. Now that efficiency works in small countries like Estonia, Denmark etc. and is less so in Poland.

Again, as I repeat - the leftists need to realize that what will work in Denmark, a flat country of 10 million in a very small area won't work in a country of 300+million spread over a continent.

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#4. Yes -- the "you must go to college" is a dumb idea. Here in Poland we have a few who go for Art history and that kind of studies, but the courses are limited -- there are no gender study courses or other bull.

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As to your last statement, I never said it would work in the USA, I just elaborated what the magazine meant -- and also pointed out that the magazine doesn't seem to realize differences in scale.

85 posted on 04/18/2018 7:09:23 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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