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Did this ancient civilization avoid war for 2000 years?
Gizmodo ^ | 2014 | Annilee Newitz

Posted on 04/10/2018 3:50:41 AM PDT by Cronos

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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Maybe it was something they regarded as necessary but not glorious. We have very little art in any culture showing people digging latrines.

A very good point. But without the glory, what would be the point of the wars? There was little to rob and it looks like they didn't have fast chariots and they also were a bit too far away to govern over long distances.

81 posted on 04/11/2018 10:52:15 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: editor-surveyor; Little Ray
Well actually not all the ten tribes were hauled away -- it looks like Asher and Naphthali were absorbed partially by the phoenicians

Also Assyrian deportation policy was to deport the elites and some peasant farmers from one corner to the opposite corner of the empire. Some of the peasants were retained

They weren't spread across the eurasian continent but were sent to what is now sotuhern iraq or eastern Iran. Some assimilated and became ancestors of modern day Iraqis and Kuzestani Iranis and some came back with the Judeans after the Persian King Cyrus let people go back and the Iranis gave money for the rebuilding of the temple.

82 posted on 04/11/2018 11:00:04 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: gleeaikin; VanShuyten; SunkenCiv; blam; BenLurkin; Chronos; Mr Rogers; All
I like these discussions!! We all share our perspectives / speculations and learn!

About Carthage developing from the Philistines, I would think that is not likely as

As to the point of Create artisans fleeing to Egypt - that's very very likely -- we know that the Cretans traded with the Egyptians and the Hittites and with the Phoenicians at least from 1700 BC, so cultural dispersion is more than likely

Deforestation for Harappan - hmm... that does make sense, but the question remains - did they use a lot of timber? Their houses are brick houses and they seem to not have had seige wars (both uses of wood) - or perhaps they cut down the forests to make farm lands (as happened in Europe). That's a very interesting point.

83 posted on 04/11/2018 11:21:49 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos
But without the glory, what would be the point of the wars?

Survival.

Making sure the enemy did not regard you as an easy target.

As I said prior, fighting them over there so you do not have to fight them in your back yard.

They had no interest in governing the barbarians over the hill, they just wanted them to leave them alone.

People do not build walls because they like not being able to see out, they build them because it is necessary.

84 posted on 04/12/2018 5:35:47 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Bunnies, bunnies, it must be bunnies!! Or maybe midgets....)
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To: Cronos
"North American" - yet the Mayans seems to have barracks

And the Anasazi did not.

Neither did the pre-Roman Britons, Gauls, Germans or Rus.

Their warriors lived in their own houses with their own families. Actually quite a more healthy system then isolating the warriors from their families.

It is a trend we have started to embrace. Except for basic most troops today have never lived in a barracks.

It also increased the likelihood that your warriors tended to have children which did not dilute your gene pool nearly as badly.

85 posted on 04/12/2018 5:45:01 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Bunnies, bunnies, it must be bunnies!! Or maybe midgets....)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

That’s a very good point! Thank you for enlightening me


86 posted on 04/12/2018 5:49:38 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

hmmm... so you subscribe to the theory of the Aryanic people warring with the local Dravidian/Harappans?


87 posted on 04/12/2018 5:51:16 AM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos
Any time you have two groups of people you are going to have friction.

The only way you do not have war is either you perceive the other group as vastly more powerful or if there is someone else around that will pulverize you if you attack them.

By the way looking through my books I found a couple of statues that might have been of great leaders. Or it might have been statues of a not so great leaders.

"Look kids, this is the statue of Og the Stupid who decided to go pet the tiger cubs. Don't be like Og, leave the tiger cubs alone."

88 posted on 04/12/2018 6:12:10 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Bunnies, bunnies, it must be bunnies!! Or maybe midgets....)
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To: gleeaikin; Cronos

Well, that was your most fun, wildest collection yet regarding the Sea Peoples, g. We must have discussed this twenty times over the years, I was looking for the most recent one but for this instance, and found instead an escalating argument I’d remembered but hadn’t been able to find in years (not with you, someone else), so that was cool. Also came across this one, which should be relevant and interesting to all:

Sex, drugs and Philistines: A biblical psychedelic scene
Times of Israel | May 28, 2015 | Daniel Bernstein
Posted on 05/30/2015 1:00:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3295125/posts


89 posted on 04/12/2018 7:10:10 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Cronos

Vanishing forests must have been some kind of problem, or if not a problem, at least had some kind of impact on how various ancient groups lived their lives. As long as forests remained unstream, the riverine civs would at least have been able to receive shipments of wood.


90 posted on 04/12/2018 7:11:59 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: Cronos

I saw an enjoyable but historically rather questionable Bollywood movie complete with mega song and dance numbers called Mohenjo Daro. Rather implausibply, it showed the city being wiped out by a flood and the survivors moving from the Indus to the Ganges and becoming modern India’s progenitors.


91 posted on 04/12/2018 7:37:53 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Cronos

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Thank you for your opinion (for whatever its worth)

I believe what the prophets wrote, not what vile men say.


92 posted on 04/12/2018 9:58:32 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Raycpa
"What were walls for?"

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93 posted on 04/12/2018 11:36:48 AM PDT by PLMerite ("They say that we were Cold Warriors. Yes, and a bloody good show, too." - Robert Conquest)
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To: Cronos

Isn’t Mohenjo-Daro one of those Indus cities which has a ‘sister city’ now covered by the Ocean? The one above water level is being excavated but the one under water is not.


94 posted on 04/12/2018 11:45:44 AM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN; blam; SunkenCiv

“Dwarka” - I don’t have much idea about that — blam would know more


95 posted on 04/12/2018 11:17:08 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: editor-surveyor
you should believe what the Bible says

Ezekiel 37:16-17

Son of man, take a stick and write on it, ‘For Judah, and the people of Israel associated with him’; then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph (the stick of Ephraim) and all the house of Israel associated with him.’ 17 And join them one to another into one stick, that they may become one in your hand.

The Samaritans have genetic markers related to the judaic people and they are/were descendents of Israelites who intermarried with other Semites

Let's also make it clear -- the British are not the lost tribes.

96 posted on 04/12/2018 11:25:29 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Unam Sanctam

While the flood bit may be overblown, it can’t be discounted. There was climate change and some of the folks did move east. But it was definitely not an overnight event, more like a long-drawn out event over decades or even centuries


97 posted on 04/12/2018 11:27:26 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos; MHGinTN
"Isn’t Mohenjo-Daro one of those Indus cities which has a ‘sister city’ now covered by the Ocean? The one above water level is being excavated but the one under water is not."

I have this posting from 2002:

Lost Civilisation From 7,500 BC Discovered Off Indian Coast

98 posted on 04/13/2018 5:24:30 AM PDT by blam
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To: MHGinTN; Cronos; blam
Regarding Dwarka, just a selection from some relevant keywords:

99 posted on 04/13/2018 5:31:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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100 posted on 04/13/2018 5:32:07 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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