Posted on 04/10/2018 3:50:41 AM PDT by Cronos
as for Australian Aborigines: for “war” you need a group of people to attack another group of people. So by definition, you can't have war without cities: but you do have gangs attacking other small groups of people.
The Homo Erectus and Neanderthals have lots of injuries on their skeletons suggesting fights, and even Jane Godall’s peaceful chimpanzees were observed going to war against another group of chimps.
The author of the article is a woman, projecting her feminists ideas into what she is finding...so she sees the DNA suggesting women married men from the outside was a sign of women's independence, when it was probably a sign that the local men were dead (from wars?) and the gals were given to the outside mercenaries by their fathers etc.
“...Which Mediterranean Middle-Eastern peoples are probably descended from the Sea Peoples?” ...... Uh, the Iranians????
#2. For a civilization that survived over 2000 years, that's hardly a "failure"...
Native Americans aren’t “Indians” - Colombus thought he reached India but was wrong.
you also need barracks for troops, art that celebrates martial prowess, tales about the same. Yet we don’t find this among the Harappans
Nope, nope and how do you know?
The barracks are not needed and a number of civilizations had a warrior culture with out them. Art is not necessary and since you can not read the language how do you know there are no tales of martial prowess? What script you have could be a list of body parts chopped off or a recipe on how to make soup with the hearts of your enemies.
#2 Art is there in every culture - even the Harappan - and they do not depict war. Every other civilized (city based) culture depicts war
#3 tales yes - because the tales of Harappa are the pre-Vedic Indic tales that one can find in the Tamil Sangam or the Puranas
Maybe it was something they regarded as necessary but not glorious. We have very little art in any culture showing people digging latrines.
Are you sure?
Someone who knew how to make war showed up.
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We lack any credible evidence that they lasted 2000 years.
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You’re on the right track.
Never accept assumptions.
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Always a safe guess!
The ten tribes of northern Israel were hauled away and spread across the eurasian continent by Shalmanesser without sacking anything.
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My theory about the Sea Peoples. Note the plural. Carthage was probably developed from the Philistines that the Israelis defeated. After Thera blew up around 1400 BC, the shore line shipping and craftsman at the water’s edge of Crete were probably destroyed and mostly killed. Ships that remained at sea survived. I think some artisans from Crete and those who had fled Thera 20 years earlier may have gone on to Egypt and contributed to the originality of art at Iknaten’s new city, Amarna. Other ship oriented people from Crete and those who had survived at sea may have joined Carthage and expanded their ship building capabilities. At any rate, Crete never recovered to the levels it had before the volcano.
One theory I have read regarding the fall of Harappa was that the trees needed for fuel were all cut down which eventually made life for quantities of people impossible. Deforestation may even have contributed to drought development. Deforestation in Brazil and Indonesia may cause similar problems now.
Here are many images regarding Harappa and Mohenjo-Daro. See what you can find that seems to answer your military questions etc.
Artefacts, seals and children’s toys unearthed appear to show agricultural pursuits as paramount, there are no weapons, no fight scenes that I can find. The only reference to chariots seems to be:
https://www.harappa.com/content/wheels-indian-rock-art
quote:
Erwin Neumayer writes, “It so happens we are dealing with a very elusive object: We have cities as big as the late Bronze Age allowed, alas without horses, but carts and wheels in miniature, wheeled toys and marks of wheels on city roads, with cattle as draught animals alone. All we got from then is a number of toy carts made of clay and one a miniature bronze chariot from Daimabad, the find from an outlaying area of the Harappan Culture Region deep down in the Deccan. It is only this chariot which gives away enough on technological details to understand that the war chariot was known, but the draught animals are still long legged oxen. But there we also see a yoke fit for the neck of horses rather then cattle, and loops at the yoke serving as reign-sorters fit to guide crossed reign trains- a necessity for a fast moving chariot.” [Foreword, pp. 1-2.]
Norse, that's true, but they were a militarized society and you find war depictions in art and epics which one doesn't find in harappa's case
What you state about the sea peoples is true enough for Canaan and Egypt, but the hittite empire was heavily inland. The sea peoples (Sardinians etc.) would not have been able to traverse so deep. Just as later the Vikings didn’t conquer the interior of France or Germany
And the answer is:
The descendents of the Sea-Peoples are today:
The Sea Peoples disappear from history a scant few centuries after they come to fore. This is similar to Vikings or Varangians - they were warrior parties or small groups of elites that brought iron weapons, but were ultimately absorbed by the neighboring peoples
We hear nothing about the Philistines by the time of Israel's devastation by Assyria
The Philistines were assimilated by Judah, by Israel, by Egypt, by the Phoenician city states and by the Arameans before they were scattered by the Assyrians and Egyptians. The descendents of these mixed people were them assimilated by Greeks (some of whom later became Italian, merged into Albanians, Slavs etc), Romans(and under the blanket term Romans we have Celts, Italics, Spaniards, Britons etc who fought, married and moved back or around the empire)
The "palestinians" of today are a mix of arab, Jewish, Aramean, Assyrian, philistine, greek, Italian etc. blood - just as most of us are - remember that even today most "African Americans" have a lot of European blood and many Europeans have Genghis Khans genes!
the fact is that we can see weather changes in our own lifetime -- and we have seen in history other climate change events happeneing, from Europe's "little Ice age" in the 1600s (which is why crops failed, london burned and we had factors for the 30 years war) to the explosion of Krakatoa cooling temperatures globally by 2 C for a year or two
I don't believe the Al gore types, but I also believe we can create and use technology that gives us cleaner air without eliminating what we love -- look at SUV's for example, they are far more powerful and far cleaner than they were in the 80s or even the 90s for instance. We can focus and do this.
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