Saudi Crown Prince: Iran's Supreme Leader 'Makes Hitler Look Good'

the atlantic ^ | 4/2/2018 | jeffrey goldberg

[Cronos]

And Obama and ALL previous US administrations have financed, industrialized and weaponized the evil Sauds — the Sauds used the money they got from the oil shock of 70 (thanks Carter) to fund training of jihadis in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria, Somalia, Indonesia, Europe, the USA etc.

[Cronos]

MBS is not taking baby steps - a place that for nearly a century put women under heavy curtains suddenly allow sthem to drive, to vote, to lead men -- that is revolutionary

Sunni and Shia are quite different - and Shia is by far the less deadly:

Nearly every singleterrorist since 2000 has beenSunni

Differences between Sunni and Shia:

• Sunni are kinda sola scriptura -
  • what's in the Quran, the Hadiths (of al Bukhara and Al Muslim) and the Sirah (bio of Mo) cannot be challenged, discused or interpreted in any, any way.
  • It is to be literally taken.
  • Also, every single verse is to be taken as sacrosant
  • There can be no modernization within sunnis
• Shia have different "interpreters":
  • The largest bunch of Shias are 12er Shias (who acknowledge the first twelve imams) - mainly in Iran and Iraq but also in South Asia. DIFFERENT Ayatollahs interpret for them -- the Shia in Iraq have a different Ayatollah who at times has ruled against Iran and for the USA.
  • You have the Zaidi (and their army is called the Houthis) in Yemen -- these have a Zaid imam quite different from the Iranians. Their beliefs are very similar to the Hanafi school of Sunnis
  • You have Ismailis who are led by the Aga Khan who has interpreted the Quran that much of the injunctions are not relevant to today's world -- so the burqa is frowned upon among the Ismailis (what is ironic is that they are the descendents of the Hashashin (Assassins) - these are spread around South Asia and the West
  • Bohris/Syedna Bohris - these are 7er Shia and are led by thei own Syedna (interpreter) - their women at the most wear colourful burqas (not black and no face coverings) or increasingly not even a head scarf -- these are mostly in south asia
• And you have Ibadis who are neither Sunni nor Shia - they are predominantly in Oman. They don't believe that the Quran is the pre-created word of Allah - most Mohammadens (sunnis especially) believe that the QUran was not created but pre-existed before creation.

[faithhopecharity]

Yes

[bitt]

thanks! We needed a program to identify the players! :)

[dynoman]

NO need for confusion - MbS is obviously not a Saddam, Gaddafy, Assad, Mubarak.

[NorseViking]

“” “” NO need for confusion - MbS is obviously not a Saddam, Gaddafy, Assad, Mubarak.”” “”

Yep, he pays to Clinton Foundation.

[dynoman]

That wasn’t MbS. Get your facts straight. The one who did that got nailed for corruption by MbS.

[dynoman]

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/patrick-goodenough/saudi-prince-among-dozens-arrested-corruption-donor-carter-clinton

[dynoman]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/anti-trump-saudi-prince-alwaleed-clinton-donor-jailed-corruption-crackdown/

[NorseViking]

Dog and pony show. He wasn’t jailed for doing it.

[dynoman]

My point was that you were wrong. And you were.

[Cronos]

One very important thing to remember about most Muslims (Mutawakil, Zaidi (Houthi) and Ismaili are the exceptions) is that to THEM, the analogy of Christ, the Word of God, is not Mohammad but rather the Quran

They hold that the Quran is uncreated, was dictated word for word byAllah to Mo, so it cannot be edited or put in context. Shia at least say you can interpret it for a philosophical point, but Sunnas say this is to be taken utterly literally as it is a holy item.

So burning the Quran for them is far worse than burning a Bible for us -- for us a Bible is God-inspired and burning it is bad, but for them the Quran is the literal word of Al and uncreated, so burning is like burning their god