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To: Uncle Sham

You keep running on about SC legally seceding.

You are wrong:

The Preamble of the Constitution states, “We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union…” As a result, the Constitution was a direct creation of the body of people in the nation themselves.

Thus, the states have no prior claim, via the compact theory, to sit in judgment upon any federal acts.

Only the people themselves, through the federal government, may do so by voting any state out of the Union.

Each state in the confederacy asked the Federal Government to be admitted into the Union.

The Federal Government, afterwards then agreed, and states were admitted and became part of the Federal Government.

Only the Federal Government can undo itself.

The war that followed and all of its consequences are the responsibility of the confederacy, they caused it.

It is time for confederacy supporters to accept that they were wrong and that they lost. You are a part of the United States of America. Deal with it.


222 posted on 04/02/2018 6:04:13 PM PDT by gandalftb
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To: gandalftb

he Preamble of the Constitution states, “We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union…” As a result, the Constitution was a direct creation of the body of people in the nation themselves.

No this is quite simply false as a reading of the federalist papers makes quite clear.

“...the act of the people, as forming so many independent States, not as forming one aggregate nation, is obvious from this single consideration, that it is to result neither from the decision of a majority of the people of the Union, nor from that of a majority of the States.... Each State, in ratifying the Constitution, is considered as a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by its own voluntary act” (Federalist 39).’ James Madison

There is no “whole people”. There were 13 sovereign states.


243 posted on 04/02/2018 6:45:18 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: gandalftb

“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

Declaration of Independence


446 posted on 04/03/2018 5:17:36 PM PDT by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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