Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: DoodleDawg

Name ONE property that the South claimed ownership of after they seceded that was in the north. They paid the majority of the taxes which had gone to building the railroad system of the north yet left that behind when they seceded. The north had NO claim to anything in the South after the secession except the claim that you and your modern-day friends insist is northern ownership of the entire South and it’s people as well as THEIR chosen future. What arrogance. Killing all those young men in the prime of their lives wasn’t good enough. You have to live with the guilt of massaging the truth to justify what was done even to this day. What Lincoln and the north did to the South was pure evil driven by greed. That you continue the farce of arguing it’s merits says a lot about who you are and it isn’t pretty.


177 posted on 04/02/2018 5:01:37 PM PDT by Uncle Sham
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 158 | View Replies ]


To: Uncle Sham

What Lincoln did to the south was almost a bad as what the south did to africans


178 posted on 04/02/2018 5:04:01 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( Build Kate's Wall)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 177 | View Replies ]

To: Uncle Sham
Name ONE property that the South claimed ownership of after they seceded that was in the north. They paid the majority of the taxes which had gone to building the railroad system of the north yet left that behind when they seceded. The north had NO claim to anything in the South after the secession except the claim that you and your modern-day friends insist is northern ownership of the entire South and it’s people as well as THEIR chosen future. What arrogance. Killing all those young men in the prime of their lives wasn’t good enough. You have to live with the guilt of massaging the truth to justify what was done even to this day. What Lincoln and the north did to the South was pure evil driven by greed. That you continue the farce of arguing it’s merits says a lot about who you are and it isn’t pretty.

You really don't know much about the history of the period, do you?

193 posted on 04/02/2018 5:23:38 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 177 | View Replies ]

To: Uncle Sham

The Federal Governments only cash payments to the railroads before the Civil War was for hauling Federal freight and the United States Mail. They paid those monies to the railroads in the North and to the railroads in the South. The Federal Government did not directly subsidize any railroad construction in the United States until the Transcontinental Railroad project, which started after the Southern States seceded from the Union.
What arrogance. Killing all those young men in the prime of their lives wasn’t good enough. You have to live with the guilt of massaging the truth to justify the truth that Confederacy was created on the concept that it was justifiable to own people as one owned a dog or a horse. Creating a constitution that codified that principle to the point that it was illegal for any state of the Confederacy to outlaw the institution of slavery. To be a member of the Confederacy you had to recognize the legitimacy of the Slavery.


197 posted on 04/02/2018 5:26:01 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 177 | View Replies ]

To: Uncle Sham

Name ONE property that the South claimed ownership of after they seceded that was in the north. They paid the majority of the taxes which had gone to building the railroad system of the north yet left that behind when they seceded. The north had NO claim to anything in the South after the secession except the claim that you and your modern-day friends insist is northern ownership of the entire South and it’s people as well as THEIR chosen future. What arrogance. Killing all those young men in the prime of their lives wasn’t good enough. You have to live with the guilt of massaging the truth to justify what was done even to this day. What Lincoln and the north did to the South was pure evil driven by greed. That you continue the farce of arguing it’s merits says a lot about who you are and it isn’t pretty.

Exactly. It was ALL about greed. Congressman Lincoln thought secession fine and dandy for everyone...”a principle to liberate the world” as he put it. When he became president and was told by his corporate supporters how much MONEY they stood to lose if their cash cow ie the Southern states left, well then he decided that government no longer derived its legitimacy from the consent of the governed. Northern Newspapers were filled with calls for war based strictly on their financial interest. A sampling:

The predicament in which both the government and the commerce of the country are placed, through the non-enforcement of our revenue laws, is now thoroughly understood the world over....If the manufacturer at Manchester (England) can send his goods into the Western States through New Orleans at less cost than through New York, he is a fool for not availing himself of his advantage....if the importations of the country are made through Southern ports, its exports will go through the same channel. The produce of the West, instead of coming to our own port by millions of tons to be transported abroad by the same ships through which we received our importations, will seek other routes and other outlets. With the loss of our foreign trade, what is to become of our public works, conducted at the cost of many hundred millions of dollars, to turn into our harbor the products of the interior? They share in the common ruin. So do our manufacturers. Once at New Orleans, goods may be distributed over the whole country duty free. The process is perfectly simple. The commercial bearing of the question has acted upon the North. We now see whither our tending, and the policy we must adopt. With us it is no longer an abstract question of Constitutional construction, or of the reserved or delegated power of the State or Federal Government, but of material existence and moral position both at home and abroad. We were divided and confused till our pockets were touched.” New York Times March 30, 1861 The Old Gray Lady makes it clear it was all about MONEY.

“The Southern Confederacy will not employ our ships or buy our goods. What is our shipping without it? Literally nothing. The transportation of cotton and its fabrics employs more than all other trade. It is very clear the South gains by this process and we lose. No, we must not let the South go.” The Manchester, New Hampshire Union Democrat Feb 19 1861

That either revenue from these duties must be collected in the ports of the rebel states, or the ports must be closed to importations from abroad. If neither of these things be done, our revenue laws are substantially repealed, the sources which supply our treasury will be dried up. We shall have no money to carry on the government, the nation will become bankrupt before the next crop of corn is ripe....allow railroad iron to be entered at Savannah with the low duty of ten percent which is all that the Southern Confederacy think of laying on imported goods, and not an ounce more would be imported at New York. The Railways would be supplied from the southern ports.” New York Evening Post March 12, 1861 article “What Shall be Done for a Revenue?”

December 1860, before any secession, the Chicago Daily Times foretold the disaster that Southern free ports would bring to Northern commerce: “In one single blow our foreign commerce must be reduced to less than one-half what it now is. Our coastwide trade would pass into other hands. One-half of our shipping would lie idle at our wharves. We should lose our trade with the South, with all of its immense profits. Our manufactories would be in utter ruins. Let the South adopt the free-trade system, or that of a tariff for revenue, and these results would likely follow.”Chicago Daily Times Dec 1860


227 posted on 04/02/2018 6:16:05 PM PDT by FLT-bird
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 177 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson