Posted on 02/22/2018 8:25:56 PM PST by conservative98
The sheriff’s deputy who failed to engage the shooter at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School “believed he did a good job” because he called in the location of the massacre and gave a description of the shooter, a top union official said Thursday.
School resource officer Scot Peterson, who resigned in disgrace from the Broward County Sheriff’s Office, was “distraught” about shooting that killed 17 people — but believed he did his duty, according to the president of the Broward Sheriff’s Office Deputies Association.
“He believed he did a good job calling in the location, setting up the perimeter and calling in the description (of Cruz),” said the union official, Jim Bell.
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Or the salary, or the lifetime healthcare, or the lifetime defined benefit pension....
I dont think the Sheriff would have called him a coward, or he would have been put on admin leave for his actions, or decided to “resign” in very short order if he was “helping children escape with his gun drawn”.
Care to speculate on anything else you dont anything about?
You know (evidently) nothing about police procedure, or rules of engagement. Police are trained to wait for back-up, access the danger, if possible, identify the shooter, what he is packing, direction of shooter, and define line of sight to minimize collateral damage from an officers discharge of his weapon. It certainly is not as cut an dried as you would like to make it. Like I said, we are not all Dirty Harry, with the most powerful hand gun in the world, with constant firing of that weapon. Many police have only to qualify once a year on the firing range. Many departments have inconvenient things like budgets. Being a postscript, he died in the line of duty sounds good, but most cops just want to go home at night and be safe. This guy has been on the job for over 30 years, you seem to be willing to take everything he has done and wipe it out over 7 minutes. Hope that nobody ever judges you that harshly. You don’t really know what he did in that 7 minutes, he has not made a public statement, and the police did not either. Remember, they allowed him to resign, for the good of the department, but he also got full retirement. Not something one would get if they had done something terribly wrong. Why are you not condemning the department for not providing back-up for over 10 minutes from is call? Poop rolls downhill, never forget that!
This guy did none of that, he cowered. Remember the Las Vegas shooting, two guys ran up to the room to try to do something, they didn't "wait". In situations like this seconds mean lives, those on the scene need to act.
Really, how do you know that? He was on the phone to police, he was giving this information. How long would it take you to tell the dispatch this information. We already know he did this? Where was the back up? Why did it take so long. Officers from another district showed up faster than the ones from his own. Coral Gables officers were the ones who arrested the shooter, none from his department. These are legitimate questions not posed (as usual) by the media, or addressed by the Sheriffs department
The yella-back had ONE JOB...
54-year-old fat donut muncher minutes away from an $80K retirement check.
Turn in your guns, STFU and pay your property taxes.
Yes it is.
You might not like it but the fact of the matter is that being a police officer is a job.
Some will be heroes, many will not and hang back until back up has arrived and can initiate in a safe manner.
I’m the meantime dozens died who would’ve been happy to have some way of striking back.
I say again - that’s why we have the 2nd amendment. Because the only person who cares about your life and loved ones are you - not an employee of the state.
“You know (evidently) nothing about police procedure, or rules of engagement. Police are trained to wait for back-up, access the danger, if possible, identify the shooter, what he is packing, direction of shooter, and define line of sight to minimize collateral damage from an officers discharge of his weapon. It certainly is not as cut an dried as you would like to make it. Like I said, we are not all Dirty Harry, with the most powerful hand gun in the world, with constant firing of that weapon....”
First, Officer Peterson was the school resource officer at this school for nine years, NOT a beat cop walking by one of the hundreds of businesses along the beat he’s patrolled for the last month. Had he been properly trained and prepared, NOBODY would have known the school buildings and grounds like this resource officer. If he got a glance of any part of the shooter’s upper torso from within 30 yards, he probably knew the shooter’s identify.
Secondly, spree shootings have changed department tactical policies all over the country, for years, now. Active shooters have changed the rules.
The chalk lines he drew were very neat.
The Broward County Sheriff was on the CNN "town hall" claimed that the NRA lady was not "standing up for the students" unless she wanted "less weapons," whatever that means. See VIDEO - see sheriff at 4:10
As you and others have posted, looks like a lot of official statements are CYA-motivated. There were a lot of moving parts going on during the shooting.
“The stampede to denigrate this guy reveals people to be extremely ignorant.”
Amen.
My cousin, a retired CHP officer and state police captain, told me that all training says, when you’re totally outgunned, you take cover and call for help.
Every cop and retired cop on this board can verify that.
Of course, all cops have the option to risk it...suicide that is...but none are expected to.
9mm vs AR-15 is not even close enough to warrant a laugh.
I was thinking, what would it be like to be named Scott Peterson, people getting a subconscious bad feeling when they heard your name.
As I said before, and germane to you comments, the officers did not show up for at least 10 minutes, there were student huddled in class rooms 30 minutes after the shooting stopped. Israel, a swat team officer in his past, emphasized that in active shooter scenarios, they don’t wait for swat but storm in after the shooter, this did not happen, and in fact officers from other districts showed up well before Broward officers arrived, they protected injured students being worked on by emergency personnel with long rifles for protection. Israel could not answer why the long response time by his officers. Israel was quick to condemn the officer, but unable to answer the most basic of questions about his own department.
CORAL SPRINGS, Fla. — The Broward County sheriff on Wednesday defended his office’s response to one of the deadliest school shootings in American history amid questions over whether some of his deputies hung back instead of pursuing the gunman accused of killing 17 people.
Sheriff Scott Israel said that, to his knowledge, deputies followed protocol and did not wait for specialized teams to arrive before going into Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. But he said that details over the office’s response remained unclear.
“That’s exactly what we’re examining,” Sheriff Israel said, noting that active shooter protocols require confronting suspects as quickly as possible. “You don’t wait for SWAT, you get in, and you push toward the shooter.”
The sheriff’s response comes a week after Nikolas Cruz was accused of opening fire at his former school with a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle and as parents, students and school administrators continue to struggle to make sense of what happened.
After the attack, Mr. Cruz slipped away on foot seven minutes after the gunfire began and was ultimately stopped by an officer from a neighboring police department.
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Sheriff Israel also said that the only armed guard at Stoneman Douglas High, Deputy Scot Peterson, never discharged his gun during the shooting.
“The response and actions of Deputy Peterson will be looked at and scrutinized, as will everyone’s,” Sheriff Israel said, adding that trained deputies would begin carrying rifles on school grounds.
Interviews with law enforcement officers, parents and students, as well as a review of police radio traffic immediately after the shooting, make clear the widespread confusion among the authorities.
Many emergency medical workers had no idea where the suspect was for at least 30 minutes after the gunfire erupted, and the authorities struggled to identify him for another 15 minutes. All the while, rescue workers tended to victims under the cover of officers with long rifles, some of whom appear to have entered the school less than 10 minutes after the gunfire began — but just after the suspect fled.
For as long as 45 minutes after the shooting stopped, some students were still cowering behind locked doors, unsure if the person banging on their door was a police officer or the gunman, according to students.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/21/us/police-security-florida-shooting.html
And it is interesting that he was able to call in a description.
Didn't he say that he never "encountered the shooter"?
If your point is that you believe he was a good guy installed in a system designed to fail, I agree. I sincerely doubt he was trained properly to conduct the planning or preparation for the situation he faced, nor was he probably supported by policy to help him succeed. But, again, if he had thought about an active shooter situation ever happening IN HIS HOUSE, he could have pretty easily forseen a sniveling chief that would throw him under a bus. All the more reason for Officer Peterson to work hard to prepare for the type of situation he faced.
It seems to me that you can agree that, if Officer Peterson was the level of professional indicated in the article, and that since he did see the shooter at some point to be able to describe his clothing, and since this school was OFFICER PETERSON’S HOUSE, where he had THOUSANDS of hours of patrol time in that school, along with exposure to probably every bad actor who’s been around that school for almost a decade, then Officer Peterson probably did recognize Cruz, even at at quick glance at a distance, right? If I’m correct, the dispatch tapes probably have him call out Cruz’s suspected identity, right?
...only problem - being a public school, they were not about to let anyone have live video of what goes on in there, including the police. So the video had a 20 minute delay...something that the police only figured out later.
That is an outrageous fault!
We have no idea what the officer saw, from his mouth, only what Israel stated. We don’t know that he identified the clothes or the shooter, many conjecture that it was a student. We just don’t know. We do know that he was 53, overweight, had trouble chasing the 4 students previously, and was following protocol to wait for back-up. We know his superior (a previous swat team leader) would have performed differently in his own words. 20/20 is easy when your life was not at risk, and especially when you have a political agenda as a leader of the Broward Police Department. He performed his job admirably for the time he worked at the school, over 10 years. I never heard him call it HIS HOUSE, and you did not either. He was past time to retire, and no doubt the younger officer would be on the beat, and he was in easier duty. It was probably the right move on his part to retire. There was no point continuing for him, and politically it was expedient for Israel to announce him resigning. Now the heat will go onto Israel and his department. I doubt that Peterson will have long lasting issues as more is found out about Broward County dropping the ball supporting their officer, and any officers on this board know you don’t go after a shooter that has .223 rounds with a semi-automatic with a 9mm side arm unless your ready to commit suicide, which serves no one. IMO.
They caught this kid in two hours...and one hour into it (before he was captured) I heard a news report that authorities had a pretty good idea who they were looking for.
IF they did have a suspected identity on the dispatch tapes, that could account for why —one hour or less into the event—a news organization was tipped that authorities had a pretty good idea who they were looking for...can you agree?
I say HIS HOUSE because a professional who preplanned a response to a horrible, but increasingly common, event like a spree shooter would be somewhat territorial about his persistent area of responsibility, right?
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