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Broward Co. sheriff: Armed officer at school never went into building during shooting
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Posted on 02/22/2018 2:47:39 PM PST by ameribbean expat

JUST IN: Broward Sheriff says armed school resource deputy who was on duty at Stoneman Douglas the day of the shooting has been suspended without pay pending investigation; Sheriff Israel says the deputy opted to resign/retire.

http://abcn.ws/2HFy3IU


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: coward; donutwatch; parklandshooting
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To: BuffaloJack

“I don’t fault him. He probably couldn’t have gotten on scene in time, even if he ran.”

He did get on scene in time. He arrived, and the shooting continued for four to six more minutes, according to reports.


101 posted on 02/22/2018 5:03:28 PM PST by MayflowerMadam (Have an A-1 day.)
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To: ameribbean expat

Please excuse the caps, but has ANYONE, ANYWHERE answered the question as to WHY it took SO LONG for this information to be released to the public under these circumstances???


102 posted on 02/22/2018 6:06:14 PM PST by JustTheTruth
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To: MileHi

The insanity of “gun free” school zones has always been ridiculous.


103 posted on 02/22/2018 8:05:28 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Bonemaker

Yes.Where you going? Good stuff.


104 posted on 02/22/2018 10:15:08 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Zhang Fei
The failure of nerve is understandable without being forgivable.

And many of those who don't get that have never been tested to know how they would react - easy to rail about another being a coward if one has never been faced with running into a hot zone.....but I see a lot have "weighed in".

105 posted on 02/23/2018 3:06:07 AM PST by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives...mostly ;-})
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To: whistleduck
"You take what gun you have to a gunfight. At the very least he could have deterred/distracted until more help arrived."

No, unless you have suicidal intentions. Handguns are defensive weapons. You darn well better be better armed than an opponent when voluntarily entering a gun fight.

News reports indicate that the kid was quit proficient and nobody could know beforehand the mental state of the killer or how shooters were present. Keyboard warriors spout much courage after the fact.

106 posted on 02/23/2018 4:24:52 AM PST by Buffalo Head (Illegitimi non carborundum)
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To: Buffalo Head

The guard had the distinct advantage in launching a counter attack - surprise. A hand gun is not a great choice against a rifle, but for a close quarters surprise, it would carry the day.

To locate the perp and get in close, he had a beacon to go for, i.e. the repeated shots from the perp. And, those shots would have concealed his approach.

Let’s admit it. He was a coward. A poorly trained coward.


107 posted on 02/23/2018 4:29:33 AM PST by anton
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To: trebb

And many of those who don’t get that have never been tested to know how they would react - easy to rail about another being a coward if one has never been faced with running into a hot zone.....but I see a lot have “weighed in”.


He was a cop. That was his job. Especially given that minors were being slaughtered.

Part of me says we should not stand in judgment of this deputy. But then I think back to that story of the coach, Aaron Feis, who threw himself in front of students at the cost of his own life. Imagine if, instead, Feis had held kids in front of himself, using them as human shields.

That is, in essence, what Deputy Scot Peterson did. He allowed kids to die so that he might live.


108 posted on 02/23/2018 11:49:55 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Buffalo Head

News reports indicate that the kid was quit proficient and nobody could know beforehand the mental state of the killer or how shooters were present. Keyboard warriors spout much courage after the fact.


He was a cop. It was his job to protect. Anyone who’s a cop and has no problem justifying his actions should look for another line of work. Because we don’t need cowards looking for sinecures in those roles.

I have zero doubt that if I were an armed teacher, I’d look for the shooter in order to find ways to at least make the guy duck and stop shooting at my students. Not because I’m a hero, but because I’d view those young people as *my* students and not some random strangers.

Cowardice is not the fear of death - it’s the inability to overcome that fear in the accomplishment of your duty. And the cop’s primary duty - in the presence of a mass shooter - was to protect his charges.

His job was to maneuver carefully towards the shooter and keep him too busy to continue shooting students. He never made the effort.


109 posted on 02/23/2018 12:02:09 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Buffalo Head

The amusing thing is that this coward had had previous dealings with Cruz:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/02/22/armed-sheriffs-deputy-stayed-outside-florida-school-while-mass-killing-took-place/?utm_term=.77b633fc31cf
Peterson is mentioned as part of a 2016 social services agency investigation into Nikolas Cruz, the 19-year-old identified by police as the gunman. According to a Florida Department of Children and Families report detailing that investigation, Peterson was approached by investigators and “refused to share any information … regarding [an] incident that took place with” the teenager.


110 posted on 02/23/2018 12:10:33 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: ameribbean expat

No one but the individual is responsible for their safety. All this BS about armed guards is just more diversion from talking about individuals being armed in schools.


111 posted on 02/23/2018 12:20:14 PM PST by CodeToad (Dr. Spock was an idiot!)
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To: Zhang Fei
My experience in Vietnam combat was that it is almost impossible to predict how people will react when the going gets tough. The macho guys quite frequently were the first to break down. The hero's typically were the least expected.

Don't be so certain about how you would react. If you haven't been tested in a life or death circumstance, your reactions are a crap shoot.

Tell me about the times you have risked yours life to accomplish something either good or bad.

112 posted on 02/23/2018 4:47:51 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illegitimi non carborundum)
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To: Zhang Fei; Lent

Being a cop and thinking one has what it takes can be different than reality when the SHTF....I agree it was his job/duty and he failed - just saying there are probably a lot railing against him, who think they would do oh-so better and even picture themselves running in and wiping the guy out, who might very well do exactly what he did if faced with the actual situation.


113 posted on 02/24/2018 3:37:28 AM PST by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives...mostly ;-})
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To: Buffalo Head

My experience in Vietnam combat was that it is almost impossible to predict how people will react when the going gets tough. The macho guys quite frequently were the first to break down. The hero’s typically were the least expected.


We owe you and your brothers in arms a great debt for your courage and tenacity in fighting a bloody war that cost over half the casualties relative to the losses incurred in fighting the Japanese, and yet is thought of as a sideshow compared to the Pacific campaigns of WWII.


114 posted on 02/25/2018 9:07:54 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

You are most welcome.


115 posted on 02/26/2018 9:12:16 AM PST by Buffalo Head (Illegitimi non carborundum)
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