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1 posted on 02/21/2018 11:42:13 AM PST by cradle of freedom
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2 posted on 02/21/2018 11:47:13 AM PST by gaijin
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1. Koresh was a crackpot, a child molester and, ultimately, a MURDERER.
2. The Feds (ATF) had reason and a warrant to go after him, but even their own guys said they screwed it up after Koresh was alerted. They should NEVER have gone in after that.
3. Koresh lit those fires. It’s apparent to anyone who watches the video or has watched interviews with people who survived.


5 posted on 02/21/2018 11:50:19 AM PST by SJSAMPLE
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Hillary Ordered The Final Massacre At Waco.

Hillary was putting pressure on Vince Foster (her longtime boyfriend, sexual partner and emotional husband) and Webb Hubbell who was the #3 guy at Justice Department, to have a forceful resolution to the Waco standoff.

http://rense.com/general80/hillms.htm


9 posted on 02/21/2018 11:55:10 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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“The government is the potent omnipresent teacher. For good or ill it teaches the whole people by its example.....If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy.”

- Louis Brandeis


11 posted on 02/21/2018 11:56:22 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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FLIR imaging from an aircraft on the final day proved that the Hostage Roasting Team shot Davidians as they tried to escape from the flames, and John Danforth helped them get away with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOW6UbAVs8A

http://www.carolmoore.net/waco/danforthreport2000.html


18 posted on 02/21/2018 12:18:55 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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The Waco Fire took place on April 19th.

April 19th is a Satanic feast day.

The sacrificial element is fire.

Hillary ordered it.

27 posted on 02/21/2018 12:35:34 PM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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The only terrorists the left ever sees are fellow Americans.


33 posted on 02/21/2018 1:35:49 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
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Rather than the made for TV documentary, you should review Attorney David J. Hardy’s chronology of events or the 1997 documentary “Waco: The Rules of Engagement”.

As David Hardy states:
1) FBI agents went shooting with David Koresh (who provided Davidian guns and ammo) 9 days before the FBI mass assault.

2) When Koresh found out about the “FBI investigation of unlawfully possessed full auto weapons” he invited them into the compound to inspect ALL weapons and take any FBI believed were questionable.

3) The ONLY reason FBI agents lived to tell about the event was the day of initial assault, they were running out of ammo and in retreat they were stopped by a lake at ~50 yds out on a flat plain with no cover - and the Davidians STOPPED defending themselves (shooting).

David J. Hardy here http://hardylaw.net/waco.html excerpt:

“The 1993 incident outside Waco, Texas, was the bloodiest encounter in the history of Federal law enforcement. By its end in the fire of April 19, nearly a ninety civilians and four law enforcement agents were dead.

The incident originated in an attempt by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to serve search and arrest warrants on a building, known to its residents as Mount Carmel, located in a rural area a few miles outside of Waco, Texas. The operation required mustering appoximately a hundred agents (flown in from sites around the country), and who received military training at Ft. Hood. They travelled in a convoy of sixty vehicles and were supported by three National Guard helicopters and one fixed-wing aircraft, with armored vehicles in reserve.

The official explanation is that the raid was intended to gather evidence in support of suspicion that the residents of Mount Carmel (members of the Branch Davidians, an offshoot of Seventh-Day Adventism), possessed machineguns without the required licenses and tax, and that nothing but overwhelming military force would enable he arrest of their leader, David Koresh, and a search of the residence.

The official version is undercut by BATF’s concession that, when informed of the investigation, Koresh invited agents to come over, look at the firearms, and take any that they might feel were questionable. It is also undercut by a rather embarassing event. Thanks to the Freedom of Information Act, we now know how ATF undercover agents investigating the case spent February 19, 1993—nine days before the raid.

They went shooting with David Koresh. He provided the ammunition, and they handed him their guns. No, I am not jesting. And yes, he knew they were agents. Click here for their report.

Even a well-heeled agency does not divert a hundred agents with air support to investigate a single and rather small case—particularly not if a simple audit could resolve the matter.

A different, and less acceptable, motivation appears most likely. At the Federal level, law enforcement operations center upon the annual appropriation process. Anyone who has worked with such an agency (as I did, for nine years) knows that they try to schedule a “showcase” operation, one which will garner national coverage, just before their House Appropriations cycle begins. An agency director loves to begin the hearings with “Typical of the dangerous work undertaken by our agents is ....” Such a showcase move is usually given a suitably dramatic and military-sounding name.

The codename for the Waco raid was “Operation Trojan Horse.” The code for its initiation was “Showtime.” The target date was less than two weeks before BATF’s House Appropriations hearings were scheduled. The team assigned included a Public Information Officer, who made sure to alert newspapers to stand by for a story that weekend. There would indeed be a story—four agents and six civilians would die to make it...”

Also refer to Carlos Ghiglotti (1 of 4 expert witnesses in the wrongful death lawsuit brought by families of murdered Davidians) who mysteriously died (3) or was “incapacitated” (1) in the 30 days pre-trial. Carlos (an expert in FLIR) analysis of FLIR, audio and video recordings synced in time documented that ATF / FBI after filling the building with flammable gas, launched “hot” grenades into the upwind end (35 mph that day) of the wood frame building, one of which embedded on the window frame and ignited the gas. His analysis also revealed Agents used full- auto shooting at Davidian men, women or children who tried to exit the burning building...


38 posted on 02/21/2018 1:44:29 PM PST by CitizenBob
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IIRC, no ambulances were on scene during the siege nor on the final day when the Federal Government doused the buildings with tear gas delivered by AFVs. The tear gas caught fire and that’s when the complex went up in flames. IIRC.


47 posted on 02/24/2018 7:37:45 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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Incidents like Ruby Ridge, this and Bundy’s Ranch is why the far seeing Founders gave US the 2nd amendment. It is a shame that we have allowed the control freaks to infringe it almost out of existence.


50 posted on 02/28/2018 3:07:22 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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The saddest thing like so many subsequent horrors connected to government: We will NEVER know the real story and NOTHING will ever be done to prevent these events from happening again. I used to side with government even with benefit of doubt or grain of salt or any other stupid cliché but now I will NEVER trust this government seeing events play out as they do now.


52 posted on 03/18/2018 6:14:47 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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