There is no crying in flying!
Posted on 01/08/2018 9:26:43 AM PST by treetopsandroofs
In the altercation, which occurred shortly after takeoff, the male co-pilot allegedly slapped the aircraft’s female commander, prompting her to leave the cockpit of the Boeing 777 in tears, according to sources for The Times of India.
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NDTV...India’s version of 24x7 news service. I’m in a business trip to Delhi...saw it on the news.
You just think you beat two men, lol.
Frightened cabin crew pleaded with her to go back, and the nine-hour flight - complete with 324 passengers and 14 crew - eventually reached its destination without further incident.
The unnamed female co-pilot's license has been suspended, The Times of India said. The confrontation reportedly took place soon after the plane took off.
'The captain slapped the co-pilot and she left the cockpit in tears. She stood in the galley sobbing,' the paper quoted a witness as saying.
'The cabin crew tried to comfort her and send her back to the cockpit.
'Meanwhile, the captain kept buzzing (calling from the telecom in the cockpit) to the crew, asking them to send the second pilot back.'
But the paper said that soon afterwards they again had a fight and the co-pilot for the second time left her seat at the controls.
A Jet Airways statement said that 'a misunderstanding occurred between cockpit crew' which was 'resolved amicably and the flight continued the journey to Mumbai'.
Frightened cabin crew? They suspended the female's license? 'a misunderstanding occurred between cockpit crew' which was 'resolved amicably'?
I think I can understand a sobbing flight crew member in the galley in co-pilot livery would tend to freak people out in the passenger sections.
If she was indeed hysterical and interfering with the flight deck operations by her non-stop actions, I may view the issue differently.
In an aircraft that (by regulation) requires two pilots, one is titled "Captain," and is in "command." This term applies in the U.S.; other countries and languages may have different terms.
The owner of the aircraft may require two pilots, even if the authorities do not. That pilot may wear four stripes.
"Professional flight schools," those who turn out commercial pilots used to weed out the "cry babies," (male or female) but I'm guessing affirmative action quotas have done away with that practice in some countries.
I wonder if they were having a screaming fight that the passengers could hear through the cockpit door.
This is why workplace relationships are a bad, bad thing in nearly any arena, but even more so in this one.
Extend that into the military arena where young men and women are thrown together in stressful situations where sexual relationships are mixed in to unit dynamics and physical danger.
No matter how you slice that, it isn’t a good mix.
Thanks...I have some idea how the military does it, but had only a vague conception of how airlines handle it. That helps.
I should have not generalized in that way, you’re right.
Thing is, I know exactly what you mean.
Sometimes, I am part of the problem too...
Even a very strong woman can lose to a weaker man because she just. doesn’t. have. that. testosterone. They come out on the short end of the stick on that one. OTOH, what’s the use of having if you never get to USE it, eh?
They can be rather PC in India, just like here, but the sexist attitudes are much more ingrained, and it’s difficult to get the message out to everyone. Or they just don’t care what you say.
Well, maybe this is the way they do it (weed them out) in India. It makes a ‘UGE difference that it was the captain slapping a subordinate. Harsh, but not a mutinous command chain violation, and they may indeed have different standards on corporal punishment (or would it be “capital” punishment in this case?).
I beat them good enough to get away. : )
You do that, then run.
Maybe it was a yoke. ;-)
There is no crying in flying!
I get angry at this Hollywoodization of a woman’s capability vs. a man.
They push this idea that if a woman stays in shape, is fit, learns some self-defense maneuvers, and postures herself assuredly, she can do anything a man can do, and go any place a man can go.
And you hear about these women being assaulted, beaten, raped, or murdered when they were alone, in a secluded or unsafe place they should never have been.
It would be one thing (possibly) if they advocated learning how to shoot and carry a gun and advocated that, but they never do...they discourage it. (Unless they show some asinine movie where the woman is picking off people with a handgun as they rush her five at a time)
So they tell women that if they train in some self-defense moves, to be able to kick a guy in the balls, step on his instep, or poke him in the eyes, that is going to work, and they can go anywhere they want.
Sure. An inexperienced woman might get it right once on the first assault and nail the guy squarely in the rocks and get him on the ground.
But most of the time that kick in the crotch goes wide, the step on the instep or gouge in the eyes can’t be done because the woman weighs 120 lbs if she is in shape (or 160 lbs or more if she isn’t) and the 200 lb guy comes up and grabs her from behind.
From what people have told me, if you get into hand-to-hand combat with someone, you have to be prepared to fight for your absolute survival from the first instant and not surrender surprise. When two 200 lb guys go at it, one might be able to buy a few seconds to get up to speed. If it is a 200 lb guy and a 120 lb woman, if she is surprised, she is almost always done for, unless it is Hollywood.
That is what makes me angry. Instead of teaching women to be realistic, they give them fantasy, and women have been killed because of it. This is not disrespect towards women. It is having realistic expectations.
The more I thought of it on reading the account from the British source, the more I could visualize a very valid situation.
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It starts out being some technical issue or disagreement, which escalates from professional to personal (given their romantic status, he a married man, she a mistress) and they get into a lover's spat in the cockpit. It gets loud...she begins screaming and shrieking with increasing volume as the man intentionally or unintentionally eggs her on, and soon the sounds of screaming and yelling are clearly audible to the crew in the galley, and even some of the people in first class who are close enough.
The flight attendants glance at each other with wide eyes and open mouths as they listen, and the passengers are nervously looking on since they don't have any idea, it could be terrorists for all they know, people begin texting to their families...passengers start shouting "What's going on?".
Inside the cockpit, the woman is now unhinged in her tirade, and the pilot cannot concentrate on flying the plane. He tries to get her to be quiet because he understands the ramifications (In the middle of the exchange, he realizes this is a very bad thing) but he isn't being nice or soothing about it, and she is determined to have her say (at extra high volume) pilot duties or not.
Soon, he cannot fly the plane between his not so polite requests to settle down and shut up, and the course corrections unanswered or delayed dialogue with the various ground stations, and realizes it is getting out of control. This is a high stress situation, and he slaps her.
She gets up and runs out of the cockpit sobbing, to the horror and astonishment of the flight attendants and passengers. The flight attendants gather around her, and seeing how her appearance is unsettling and disturbing the passengers (and themselves) implore her to go back onto the flight deck. At some point the pilot gets out of his seat and goes to the galley, and she goes back to the flight deck.
But like a gasoline fire that has been put out with CO2, but is still far above the flash point, the argument reignites, and she exits the cockpit a second time.
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I can easily visualize this. Given what we know of these kinds of things, she might just as well have smacked him on the top of the head with a stainless steel coffee pot.
When I saw the disparity in the reports between the Indian account and the British account, that was the first thing that popped into my head. The PC angle.
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