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To: DiogenesLamp; redfreedom; IrishBrigade
DiogenesLamp: "Therefore the war really wasn't about slavery.
What it was about was the potential that the money pile coming into New York would end up in Southern ports...
...(the Northeaster power barons who still run the United States today)...
The war was about money, and only about money.
They created the propaganda that it was about "slavery" because they didn't want people to know the real motives for it.
If they knew the real motives, the public would have been against it."

More propaganda fantasy from DiogenesLamp.
In fact the Civil War was no more "about money" than any other war in history.
Sure, you (and Karl Marx) could say that all wars are "about money" because winners usually take what the losers had.
But no modern war is ever solely "about money" because normal people won't go to war over just money.
There are always other, "higher", reasons.
Sometimes those "higher" reasons are religious, i.e., 30 Years War, modern jihad, sometimes ideological such as National Socialism versus International Socialism on the Eastern Front of WWII, sometimes ethnic rivalries, "lebensraum", etc.

But almost never are the reasons for large-scale war purely economic numbers.
In the case of Civil War, Confederates did not go to war just to take money away from "Northeaster power barons", nor did those "Northeaster power barons" respond just to keep their income streams flowing.

Instead, Confederates wanted war to assert their independence, defend their sovereignty and protect their "peculiar institution".
Sure, all of that was worth money (i.e., $4 billion in slaves equivalent today to several trillion dollars), but ideals like "national honor" and "our way of life" meant more to individuals and their leaders than any spreadsheet numbers.

Likewise, the Union accepted war to defend itself existentially against very aggressive Confederate territorial claims over Union Border States, Western Territories and Unionist regions of Confederate states such as Western Virginia and Eastern Tennessee.
Republicans like Lincoln also came to see in civil war the chance to first free slaves as "contraband of war" and then make the constitutional amendments which were otherwise impossible.
As to the claim that Northerners didn't care about slavery, when the opportunity came, Americans took it:

Nobody can claim that Lincoln himself was unmoved by such words.

130 posted on 01/06/2018 7:31:00 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

I’ll ask the question again. If slavery were the root cause of the war, why no Emancipation Proclamation until 1863? If slavery were the root cause of the war, why would Lincoln say “”My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it”

In his own words, it wasn’t about slavery.


133 posted on 01/06/2018 7:50:32 AM PST by TallahasseeConservative
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