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Religious Jews Celebrate as Trump Commutes Sholom Rubashkin’s Sentence
Breitbart ^ | 21 DEC 2017 | JOEL B. POLLAK

Posted on 12/22/2017 2:53:36 PM PST by familyop

The judge, Linda Reade, handed down an unusually long sentence that critics suspected had been motivated by antisemitism. Critics pressed President Barack Obama for clemency, without success...In the cheering crowds, a few red “MAGA” hats could be seen among the traditional black fedoras. Speaking to the throngs at 770 in English, Yiddish, and Hebrew, Rubashkin thanked Trump effusively: “God bless him,” he said, prompting loud cheers. Rubashkin also noted Trump’s recent decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.

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To: moehoward; TexasKamaAina

Here’s some much more information-packed background info. It’s quick, easy to read and very enlightening!

Sholom Rubashkin is Factually Innocent
12/22/17 | Yomin Postelnik
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3615935/posts

The Rubashkin Case: A Mockery of Justice
by Conrad Black August 28, 2013
https://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3615935/posts?page=15#15

Black and Radler, Victims of Fitzgeraldian Injustice – And They Should be Pardoned
By Yomin Postelnik
February 22, 2008
http://canadafreepress.com/article/black-and-radler-victims-of-fitzgeraldian-injustice-and-they-should-be-pard
[familyop: On Conrad Black and David Radler. Conrad Black is not Jewish, by the way. He wasn’t the last I knew, anyway. Good man!]


21 posted on 12/22/2017 3:49:35 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: heights
He Robbed Americans of their livelihood, while letting the tax payer support the families of his underpaid Illegals. He is scum.M

I haven't been following this so presuming everything you said is correct ... then why did Trump do this?

22 posted on 12/22/2017 3:59:30 PM PST by plain talk
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To: MarvinStinson

Maybe they should pursue them now.


23 posted on 12/22/2017 4:06:28 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents-Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: MarvinStinson

Thank you for posting that, I couldn’t remember all the facts in this case


24 posted on 12/22/2017 4:48:38 PM PST by McGavin999 ("The press is impotent when it abandons itself to falsehood."Thomas Jefferson)
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To: familyop

Whether the sentence was lenient or too long, I don’t know.
What I ask myself is why did the President decide to commute this particular man’s sentence? There are probably thousands of men in prison who’ve been given what many would consider unfair, long sentences. What’s so special about this man?


25 posted on 12/22/2017 5:27:31 PM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: familyop

A disgusting act by Trump. This is disgraceful. Trump has sided with a criminal who imported thousands of illegals over the American people. This filthy scumbag deserves every minute of his sentence and more.

The only thing more disgusting is the conservatives who will defend this.


26 posted on 12/22/2017 6:39:50 PM PST by WatchungEagle
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To: JesusIsLord
"There are probably thousands of men in prison who’ve been given what many would consider unfair, long sentences. What’s so special about this man?"

He trusted in G-d.


27 posted on 12/22/2017 6:45:59 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: familyop
He trusted in G-d.

I did some further reading on the Internet on this case. As to be expected, influential Jews have been apologists for Mr. Rabashkin . Also as to be expected, Jews have screamed that anti-Semitism perverted the sentencing. When I hear cries of racism and anti-Semitism, I take them with a grain of salt because there are many accusations that exist only in the mind of the offended. Accusation and opinion are not proof! We should all avoid Uncle Leo syndrome.

The following excerpts from: http://finkorswim.com/2011/09/19/the-rubashkin-case-a-no-spin-unbiased-summary/ provide what I think are a mostly objective perspective about this case:

“I (Rabbi Fink) post this as a public service. For a couple years now, the “frum” (Jewish) news sites and papers have reported a whitewashed version of the Rubashkin case. This has caused foolish outrage, claims of anti-Semitism, calls for the lives of the judges who presided over the appeal, condemnation of the criminal justice system and a gross double standard / hypocritical view of justice. All the frum media has been able to learn from this episode is not to trust the government and that we are a few logical steps away from Nuremberg Laws being applied to America. I have not seen one mainstream news article or editorial on honesty in business. Not one. This is understandable, because in the eyes of the frum community, Rubashkin is the victim of a blood libel and a contemporary Dreyfuss. In my opinion, this is reprehensible. We lose credibility as a community when we are not honest. But more importantly we are missing the greater lesson in all of this. Don’t break the law.

What follows is free of compassion or vendetta. It is an attempt to portray pure fact. Please feel free to reference this post when discussing the case with others:

Rubashkin was convicted of 86 counts of bank, wire, mail fraud making false statements to a bank, money laundering and violations of an order from the Secretary of Agriculture. His sentence was 324 months (27 years) which was on the low side of the guidelines. One of the employees arrested in the raid asked that the judge (the Honorable Linda Reade) be recused from his immigration case because she was involved in the logistics of preparing the courts for the barrage of arraignments and cases following the raid. Literally, hundreds of defendants were tried in makeshift court rooms. The Chief Judge was needed to make the necessary arrangements. The court acknowledged involvement but as Chief Judge this involvement was minimal, necessary and not prejudicial. Rubashkin’s trial team was aware of this issue and aware of the court’s decision not to recuse itself from the other trial and did not pursue the matter further during trial. A deadline for recusal motions was also set. No motions were made by Rubashkin’s lawyers before the deadline. It has been argued that since Rubashkin was not convicted of immigration violations, the court should not have considered the immigration violations in the fraud case. The court argues that this is irrelevant. Individuals working for Rubashkin were convicted of immigration violations and were under his supervision. Rubashkin is culpable for those convictions as well. The 27 year sentence has also been challenged. The prosecution and Rubashkin disagree on the amount of loss caused by the fraud. According to prosecutors the amount is $27 million and according to the defense it is $12 million. (Side note: this means that Rubashkin acknowledges that he is guilty of at least a $12 million fraud).

As the to sentence, 324 months was on the low end of the range. The sentence was mitigated by Rubashkin’s circumstances as a father, first time offender and philanthropist. Without those factors the sentence would have been greater.

Another factor was Rubashkin’s lack of remorse during the trial. The perception of the court reflected the outrage of the community. In the orthodox Jewish community, Rubashkin was elevated to hero status as if he had done no wrong.

Letters on behalf of Rubashkin were written by U.S. Attorney Generals and others. Their letters focused on the unfairness of the guidelines. They did not say Rubashkin was not guilty. They did not say that Rubashkin did not get a fair trial. They did not say the case was an example of anti-Semitism. Their complaint was limited to the general harshness of the sentencing guidelines. They did not say the guidelines were misapplied.

It should be noted that 90% of Federal cases settle. This is because the Feds rarely indict unless they are sure they are going to win. Of the 10% of cases that do not settle, the Feds win about 90% of those. One in a hundred Federal cases is won by the defendant. Rubashkin’s lawyers knew the score. If he had settled and entered a guilty plea and cooperated his sentence would likely have been 5 years or less (this is pure speculation but based on conversations with defense attorneys and prosecutors).

28 posted on 12/23/2017 6:29:10 AM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: familyop

I read the report at the link.

He had some pretty good cover set up in his defense. I note that they dismissed charges too.

I’m left wonder more about who had an axe to grind here than what infractions he actually made. I remain unconvinced he was much of a bad guy.

If his loan non-payment was related to closing him down, I’d say the government’s case here makes about as much sense as McConnell squawking about his prediction being fulfilled about Moore losing, when he himself did everything possible to make sure he did.

Too much nonsense going on...


29 posted on 12/23/2017 9:52:24 AM PST by DoughtyOne (McConnell, Ryan, and the whole GOPe are dead to me. Are Alabamans tired of winning?)
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To: JesusIsLord
In your comment comment #28, you inserted your own false definition of "frum" in parentheses in your quotation of Fink's complaint about "frum news sites" and "frum media." You indicated that frum means "Jewish." That's not true. Frum means pious or observant.

Interesting comment in this page, too.

Watch this short video, "Think Before You Click!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzgeKJMKco0

And there's a quote of Fink's opinion on Internet gossip in the liberal publication, The Times of Israel (Renee Ghert-Zand, "Think twice before you click," "gossip grinder," 23 September 2014).

Lashon Hora (evil tongue, negative speech, gossip, false witness, slander, libel) is very well defined here.

"Evil gossip kills all three--the inventor of the slander, the one who relates it, and the listener. This is all in spiritual terms…" (Baal Shem Tov).


30 posted on 12/23/2017 3:11:25 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: DoughtyOne; Yomin Postelnik; Zionist Conspirator; SJackson; MarvinStinson
Thank you for your comment, DoughtyOne. You might also be interested in my reply in comment #30 to comment #28.

I figured that if some fellow Gentiles are interested in a case of a Jewish man being unjustly persecuted to the extent of trying to discuss Judaism, I may as well give them some information about that, too. An issuance or transfer of a harmful rumor also violates divine laws concerning Gentiles. A rumor sometimes facilitates a robbery, theft or a violation against a family. Furthermore, see "slander" in the following.

https://asknoah.org/7-commandments/homicide


31 posted on 12/23/2017 3:52:27 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: MarvinStinson
I smell Jew Hate.

Me too. Two years...tops.

32 posted on 12/23/2017 3:53:59 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: familyop
...you inserted your own false definition of "frum" ...

Bear in mind that Gentiles do not know much Yiddish and my intent was to give some understanding to a foreign word.

To your point: Frum (Yiddish פֿרום‬; [frum | frim]), meaning "devout" or "pious", is a Yiddish adjective. To be frum means to be committed to the observance of Jewish religious law that often exceeds the bare requirements of Halakha, the collective body of Jewish religious laws. - Wiki

Rabbi Fink wrote and the sentence in question follows: “For a couple years now, the frum news sites and papers have reported... “.

In the context of Rabbi Fink’s sentence and Wiki’s definition frum should have been explained to mean (pious Jewish) and not merely (Jewish) as I had inserted.

My apologies for any confusion I may have caused and thanks for the correction.

33 posted on 12/23/2017 4:47:27 PM PST by JesusIsLord
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To: WatchungEagle
A disgusting act by Trump. This is disgraceful. Trump has sided with a criminal who imported thousands of illegals over the American people. This filthy scumbag deserves every minute of his sentence and more.

The only thing more disgusting is the conservatives who will defend this.

Some conservatives actually believe in G-d and that His Laws are where morality comes from.

I bet you find that disgusting as well.

34 posted on 12/23/2017 5:02:28 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vegam Yehudah tillachem biYrushalayim . . . .)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Yes.


35 posted on 12/26/2017 7:19:34 PM PST by WatchungEagle
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