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Mesa Police Shooting: Daniel Shaver Seen Crawling, Degging in Disturbing Video
CBS News ^ | 12/8

Posted on 12/08/2017 5:58:46 PM PST by nickcarraway

Brailsford orders Shaver, 26, to lay face-down in a hallway and refrain from making sudden movements - or risk being shot. He also orders a woman in the hallway to lie on the ground. Shaver is seen complying with the officer's order to put his hands on top of his head and cross his left foot over his right foot.

"Young man, you are not to move. You are to put your eyes down look down at the carpet you are to keep your fingers interlaced behind your head you are to keep your feet crossed," Brailsford says. "If you move, we are going to consider that a threat, and we are going to deal with it and you may not survive it, do you understand me?"

"Yes sir," Shaver says.

Brailsford then orders the woman to kneel, put her hands in the air and crawl towards officers. Officers then apparently handcuff her out of the view of the camera.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: danielshaver; donutwatch; leo; philipbrailsford; police; shooting; simonsays
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To: tumblindice

Yeah, that waistbaind on the victim’s elastic shorts really looks like it could hold a lot of concealed firepower.


81 posted on 12/09/2017 6:26:17 AM PST by southern rock
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To: dsc
Didn’t you read? He reached for his belt line while being told not to.

You mean that flimsy elastic waistband that could barely hold up the shorts they were attached to? Stop it. He couldn't conceal a stick of gum in there and the cop knew it.

82 posted on 12/09/2017 6:34:44 AM PST by southern rock
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To: faucetman
BUT, when the cops have guns trained on you, don’t reach toward your waistband. The jury got it right.

Oh please. Have you seen the waistband? Any cop that thinks something could be concealed in those shorts the victim was wearing shouldn't be on the force. And I wouldn't be surprised if the jury was threatened.

83 posted on 12/09/2017 6:40:01 AM PST by southern rock
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To: faucetman
When you watch the video, the cop gave him many conflicting and confusing instructions. First he tells him to lay flat on the ground with his hands out stretched and his legs crossed and remain motionless, which Daniel does, then he tells him to put his hands interlocked and behind his head, which he does, then he asks the woman a question, then yells at her to shut up when she tries to answer. Then the cop yells at Daniel to keep his legs crossed and at the same time tells him to put his hands straight up in the air and then up and to get in a knelling position and crawl towards him. He then yells at him for not keeping his legs crossed. And all the while yelling that if he made a “mistake”, he’d be shot. And of course in order to crawl on his hands and knees, he’d have to put his hands back down on the floor.

I actually got on the floor of my living room in the same position as Daniel was in, with my legs crossed and tried to get into a kneeling position, I found that to be impossible. You simply can’t get into a kneeling or crawling position with your legs crossed like that. The only reason for that instruction to keep one’s legs crossed is to keep the suspect from moving toward you, so why yell at him to keep his legs crossed while at the same time instructing him to crawl toward the cop?

Could have been handled better, like cuff the guy while he was on the floor, hands behind his back, and legs crossed. Having him crawl towards you was STUPID.

Well of course that is what should have happened. When Daniel was lying flat on the floor with his hands outstretched in full view and his legs crossed, another LEO could have approached him, handcuffed him and searched for a weapon.

84 posted on 12/09/2017 6:41:40 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: southern rock
You mean that flimsy elastic waistband that could barely hold up the shorts they were attached to? Stop it. He couldn't conceal a stick of gum in there and the cop knew it.

Yep. I guess it might have been possible he was concealing a pistol in the back of his gym shorts that were half hanging down past his ass, but I think that unlikely and while Shaver was lying on the floor, the bump of a concealed pistol should have been visible.

Once Shaver was lying prostrate and motionless on the floor with his hands outstretched and his legs crossed as he was instructed to do, why instruct him to crawl toward the cop? That only escalated the situation IMO as Shaver was already motionless before the cop gave him confusing instructions on how to move and how to crawl toward him.

85 posted on 12/09/2017 6:56:07 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: nickcarraway; All

Disgusting!

The Jury was NOT allowed to see this video until after the case. Gee I wonder why?.....

The SGT’s voice you hear yelling (not the actual officer with the rifle) like a Drill Instructor retired and fled the country. I guess the SGT knew he was guilty as h@ll?

The police officer that did the killing was fired shortly after his boss saw the video. Soon after he was charged.

The Defense argued the jury should not see the body cam and the Judge agreed!!! The Jury should have found that very suspicious.

This video angers me. That officer was a clear threat to the public. He should be in prison for manslaughter at the very least.

Perhaps a the DOJ can look at this case, and charge this officer. That guy needs to go to prison.


86 posted on 12/09/2017 7:17:24 AM PST by Enlightened1
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To: MD Expat in PA

The SGT that was yelling like a Drill Instructor retired and fled the county shortly after the police officer that did the shooting was fired and charged.

Good analysis about it being impossible to get on your knees with your feet crossed, hands in the air and crawl towards the officer. I don’t know how he is suppose to do that.

Moreover when the Daniel was down on the ground flat why did the officers just cuff him? Ridiculous!


87 posted on 12/09/2017 7:29:45 AM PST by Enlightened1
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To: faucetman

> when the cops have guns trained on you, don’t reach toward your waistband <

In theory you are, of course, correct. But in high-stress situations civilians often don’t think clearly. If a cop cannot take that into account, we are all in trouble.

Anyway, I’ve got a question for you. Consider those shoot-or-don’t-shoot drills police recruits go through. A target pops up. The target shows a picture of a man holding a shotgun. The recruit is supposed to shoot.

Another target pops up. It’s a man holding a baby. The recruit is supposed to hold his fire.

Now let’s suppose a target pops up of a man with his hand on his waistband. No gun is seen. Should the cop shoot?


88 posted on 12/09/2017 7:39:58 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: ConservativeMind

Huh?


89 posted on 12/09/2017 7:44:09 AM PST by Bonemaker (White Southerners have been under attack since 1860.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Huh?


90 posted on 12/09/2017 7:44:38 AM PST by Bonemaker (White Southerners have been under attack since 1860.)
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To: MD Expat in PA

“Once Shaver was lying prostrate and motionless on the floor with his hands outstretched and his legs crossed as he was instructed to do, why instruct him to crawl toward the cop? That only escalated the situation IMO as Shaver was already motionless before the cop gave him confusing instructions on how to move and how to crawl toward him. “

Typical control freak, power mad, bullying mentally defective shithead who gets his rocks by lording it over some poor bastard.Seems to be the type they are hiring these days. The Betty Shelbys, Danny Slagers, and now this prick would have been executed by now if there was any justice.


91 posted on 12/09/2017 7:53:01 AM PST by Bonemaker (White Southerners have been under attack since 1860.)
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To: dsc
I’m going to reach for it slowly, and pull it out with two fingers.

But it looked like you were using THREE fingers ... so the cop 'felt threatened' and now you're dead.

92 posted on 12/09/2017 7:54:49 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: nickcarraway

If I witnessed that crime, I would have had a moral obligation to shoot that cop. I hope some vigilante justice is served. Pathetic cop, judge and jury.

Cop said he was going to murder him and did. Murder one!


93 posted on 12/09/2017 8:01:21 AM PST by wgmalabama
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To: suthener

That was a very disturbing video. And it was something that could happen to any of us.

And gun permit holders take note. In many states, when a cop runs your plate, he can tell if you’ve got a permit. So he’ll assume you’ve got a gun. You could be that guy in that video.

At least in this case the cop was found guilty, and got 12 years (I looked it up).


94 posted on 12/09/2017 8:01:56 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: ConservativeMind

“Is there a way to get his address to MS-13 for a visit?”

Should we ALL not have access to the addresses of our congresscritters ?? If not, why not..


95 posted on 12/09/2017 8:10:26 AM PST by litehaus (A memory toooo long.............)
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To: kelly4c
I agree. Something must be done to protect us from people like this. We cannot live under this kind of threat. It’s not right.

I know some will disagree, but I see videos like this and I understand why black people have so many fears about the police. I'm no longer prepared to automatically side with the police when news breaks about a controversial shooting of a black man. Public confidence in the police is destroyed by shootings like this, even if they are rare occurrences.
96 posted on 12/09/2017 8:54:51 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

> I see videos like this and I understand why black people have so many fears about the police <

Anyone who disagrees with you should take a look at this short video first posted by suthener (post #76).

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zVnKxdMzEXM


97 posted on 12/09/2017 9:06:04 AM PST by Leaning Right
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To: NorthMountain

“But it looked like you were using THREE fingers ... so the cop ‘felt threatened’ and now you’re dead.”

That’s an unrealistic exaggeration.


98 posted on 12/09/2017 10:55:02 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: eyeamok

“I think the first step to stop the willful execution of citizens by persons in magic blue costumes”

You only need to take that first step if it is actually happening.

It is not.

Videos can lie as easily as text.


99 posted on 12/09/2017 11:15:40 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: southern rock

“He couldn’t conceal a stick of gum in there and the cop knew it.”

Now you know what the cop was thinking?

So, after roll call, when they were walking to their cars, one of them says, “Hey, Bubba, let’s murder us a n**ger today,” and Bubba says, “Ayup, that sounds like fun.”

Is that what you imagine? Because I think it’s bullcrap.


100 posted on 12/09/2017 11:24:27 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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