Kate Steinle shooting: Jury delivers not guilty verdict

http://www.mercurynews.com ^ | November 30, 2017

[ek_hornbeck]

It took a multi-million dollar legal “dream team” to get OJ Simpson the jury and ultimately the outcome that he wanted. This cholo couldn’t afford anything other than a court-appointed attorney, which makes me suspect that the Council of La Raza bought him the best and most crooked legal defense that money can buy.

[rlmorel]

Well, he WAS a “white male”, so...not in any “protected” class there.

The entire thing is an utter travesty.

[Jolla]

Agreed, San Francisco will pay the price financially, morally there is no turning back for them, the place needs to be leveled and sewn with salt.

[4Runner]

This thread shouldn't be allowed to attrit. Surely there's more than 500 FReepers out there who need to vent here, since there's little else we can do as things stand now. It's clear the ROL has been turned on its head.

I don't buy the "It's California" excuse. No. It's "America" because this kind of thing is happening in many places and in many ways, some small some large. Illegals ARE getting away with murder, literally and figuratively, in every small town and community in the U.S. Not just in California.

Just take "benefit fraud" as a small example. And employers refusing to use e-Verify. I'm 3,000 miles away from SF but I feel like this verdict happened in my own back yard. Distance is relative. Outrage is not. Same as the feeling on 9/11. It happened 1,800 miles away from me but I got hit right in the gut.

Maybe JRob can set up a section on FR for threads like this one to let them keep accruing replies. Sort of as a thorn in the side of the left. And as a memorial to Kate Steinle. Like "Never Forget".

[matt04]

Probably all wanted to stick it to Trump too.

[agrace]

I thought that a death resulting from commission of a felony brought an automatic murder charge. Maybe not in CA I guess.

[ro_dreaming]

LEGALLY possessing a gun is a victimless crime. ILLEGALLY possessing a gun is not. This man was ILLEGALLY possessing a gun.

[leaning conservative]

Every time I see that photo of her I am stunned at how radiantly beautiful & full of life she was.

[rlmorel]

Exactly. I was referring to the verdict when I said I wasn’t surprised. (Not saying “It’s California” like “It’s Chinatown”!)

That is one of the things that I get pretty angry about is the “sanctuary city” concept.

[Brilliant]

Who was harmed by him merely possessing the gun? The harm was in shooting the gun but he wasn’t convicted of that. It’s not much different from if he committed murder while he was jaywalking and they acquitted him of murder but got him for jaywalking. What he was convicted of had nothing to do with Kate Steinle. No justice was meted out for that crime.

[Sa-teef]

I expect he’ll have an appearance on Jimmy Kimmel in his future? Promoting his new book of course, followed by a movie deal.

[AllAmericanGirl44]

Neither do I, it’s unimaginable to me that they choose to not be there for the verdict. It truly is a prime example of party over principle.

They’ll get their wish, nobody is going to be talking about their daughter but rather, they’ll be talking about the judge, the jury, the DA, the defense and the utter scumbag who these freaks used to make an illogical point -

[LucyT]

PING.

From #392, Thanks, Art in Idaho:

Maybe Kate didn't die in vain.

FReeper comments on this thread:

"You know what? I change my mind. THIS VERDICT WILL ENRAGE AMERICANS ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and work against the DACA crowd and other abettors of law breaker invaders. . .

The verdict which just reelected Trump, a Republican Congress, and built a wall. . . .

We all know that if this white American fired a gun on a city street and someone died, I’d be in heap big trouble unless it was self-defense. But if you are here illegally from Mexico, and it is California, you can do no wrong! . . .

This means that DACA is dead. No way that gets set permanently. Just like the OJ verdict, it set the Blacks back 30 years. This will hurt the illegals in ways they have not imagined. . . .

The great news out of this is that DACA is dead as hell. This country will now NEVER grant amnesty to any illegal alien EVER!!Thanks to the outrage from this decision the country will see the war that we are in for our Culture , Our Heritage and our Sovereignty and any damned politician that even hints at amnesty is political history with in 1 hour!! . . .

I think letting this guy off puts more wind in Trump’s sails, not less, for the border wall & punishing sanctuary cities for disregarding the law. . . .

First thought I had....
BUILD THE WALL! THIS WILL HELP TRUMP. . . .

Not one penny to any sanctuary city or state!
No amnesty deal for dreamers!!! Deport the DACAs starting next March!!! Shut down our damn government unless full funding is approved for the border wall!!! At the minimum this brings the fight against Sanctuary Cities & illegal immigration to the forefront loud and clear. People are PxxxED. . . .

We must pass Kate’s Law.

This photo is from a Tea Party Rally in 2009. What is the body count today?

....................... Build the Wall!!

[wally_bert]

It’s still one of my favorite shows.

[newfreep]

Not sure if these 2 tweets were posted earlier....

Andrew C. McCarthy‏Verified account
@AndrewCMcCarthy

It is a federal felony, up to 10 yrs’ imprisonment, to be an illegal alien in possession of firearm (18 USC secs.922(g), 924). DOJ should indict Zarate if haven’t already. Sentence consecutive to today’s state gun conviction could keep him in prison 13 yrs or so. ===========================

Josh Caplan‏ @joshdcaplan

BREAKING: Justice Dept. has filed arrest warrant for Jose Garcia Zarate, the man acquitted of murder in Kate Steinle's 2015 San Francisco shooting

[Hostage]

> “Not one penny to any sanctuary city or state!”

Actually, it can go further than merely denying federal funds or withholding block grants. And note that withholding these funds from states is problematic politically; it’s easier said than done.

But there is a way that is clear and Constitutional.

First, the federal government has a responsibility to enforce the nation’s laws with respect to immigration and borders. To carry out this enforcement requires money and money requires either taxation or an appropriation via the issuance of debt. But let’s look at taxation first.

The original tax provisions of the US Constitution allow for a direct tax with apportionment to be levied on the States.

If Congress has a will reflected by the will of the America people to round up and deport illegal aliens within the Nation’s borders, it can pass a tax bill to take the following general steps:

1. Tax each state directly according to their population census for the purpose of enforcing US law against illegal aliens. The tax revenue collected will be used to pay a federal force to find, detain, process, and deport all illegal aliens inside each state. Whatever method each state decides to raise the federal enforcement tax is up to them. They can add an income tax or a state sales surtax or a toll tax, property tax, utility tax or a combination of taxes. And they can make it known and blatant that this a federal tax for enforcement against illegal aliens. State residents can grind their teeth all they want, but there will be a way out of such federal taxation if their state and local legislators choose a federal option.

2. Give states a federal option to assist in the enforcement of federal law governing illegal aliens. For cities, townships, counties, and state governments that choose to assist faithfully and fully the federal government in fulfilling its responsibility, the federal direct tax levied can be credited back to the state which in turn can provide full relief to its state residents. States can also be offered an option to immediately pledge to assist federal law enforcement and by doing so, they will be able to forgo any separate state legislation to collect the federal tax because they will have received an immediate full credit from the federal government, hence they won’t owe anything.

The above two steps will leave only ‘sanctuary states’ or states with ‘sanctuary cities’ having to raise the federal tax. They can’t plead unconstitutional targeting because the tax is applied directly to all states with apportionment, but the federal government has the option to credit back taxes to states that agree to pledge their own law enforcement resources to assist the federal enforcement effort.

Aberrant states like California who might choose to remain as a Sanctuary State will have a hard time blaming the federal government for its tax woes when all they need do is to reverse their uncooperative enforcement policies. Otherwise, its state taxpayers will know the price of harboring illegal aliens. This is all completely Constitutional and puts the burden on states that would choose to defy the will of Congress and the American people.

[NCC-1701]

Thanks. I try not to make errors like that. But you knew what I meant. :)

[LucyT]

> “Not one penny to any sanctuary city or state!”

Actually, it can go further than merely denying federal funds or withholding block grants. And note that withholding these funds from states is problematic politically; it’s easier said than done.

But there is a way that is clear and Constitutional.

First, the federal government has a responsibility to enforce the nation’s laws with respect to immigration and borders. To carry out this enforcement requires money and money requires either taxation or an appropriation via the issuance of debt. But let’s look at taxation first.

The original tax provisions of the US Constitution allow for a direct tax with apportionment to be levied on the States.

If Congress has a will reflected by the will of the America people to round up and deport illegal aliens within the Nation’s borders, it can pass a tax bill to take the following general steps:

1. Tax each state directly according to their population census for the purpose of enforcing US law against illegal aliens. The tax revenue collected will be used to pay a federal force to find, detain, process, and deport all illegal aliens inside each state. Whatever method each state decides to raise the federal enforcement tax is up to them. They can add an income tax or a state sales surtax or a toll tax, property tax, utility tax or a combination of taxes. And they can make it known and blatant that this a federal tax for enforcement against illegal aliens.

State residents can grind their teeth all they want, but there will be a way out of such federal taxation if their state and local legislators choose a federal option.

2. Give states a federal option to assist in the enforcement of federal law governing illegal aliens. For cities, townships, counties, and state governments that choose to assist faithfully and fully the federal government in fulfilling its responsibility, the federal direct tax levied can be credited back to the state which in turn can provide full relief to its state residents. States can also be offered an option to immediately pledge to assist federal law enforcement and by doing so, they will be able to forgo any separate state legislation to collect the federal tax because they will have received an immediate full credit from the federal government, hence they won’t owe anything.

The above two steps will leave only ‘sanctuary states’ or states with ‘sanctuary cities’ having to raise the federal tax. They can’t plead unconstitutional targeting because the tax is applied directly to all states with apportionment, but the federal government has the option to credit back taxes to states that agree to pledge their own law enforcement resources to assist the federal enforcement effort.

Aberrant states like California who might choose to remain as a Sanctuary State will have a hard time blaming the federal government for its tax woes when all they need do is to reverse their uncooperative enforcement policies.

Otherwise, its state taxpayers will know the price of harboring illegal aliens. This is all completely Constitutional and puts the burden on states that would choose to defy the will of Congress and the American people.

Thanks, Hostage.

[LucyT]

Josh Caplan‏ @joshdcaplan

BREAKING: Justice Dept. has filed arrest warrant for Jose Garcia Zarate, the man acquitted of murder in Kate Steinle's 2015 San Francisco shooting.

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[miserare]

Is he in custody yet,,or has he flown the coop?