Catalan Parliament Declares Independence From Spain

BBC ^ | 10/27/17

[Enlightened1]

The Catalan regional parliament has voted to declare independence from Spain, just as the Spanish government appears set to impose direct rule.

The move was backed 70-10 in a ballot boycotted by opposition MPs.

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy earlier told senators direct rule was needed to return "law, democracy and stability" to Catalonia.

The crisis began when Catalans backed independence in a disputed vote earlier this month.

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The Catalan government said that of the 43% of potential voters who took part in the referendum, 90% were in favour of independence. But Spain's Constitutional Court had ruled the vote illegal.

In all, the motion declaring independence was approved with 70 in favour, 10 against and two abstentions in the 135-seat chamber.

Immediately afterwards, Mr Rajoy called for all Spaniards to remain calm, promising to "restore legality" to Catalonia.

Spain's Senate is still to vote on whether for the first time to enact Article 155 of the Spanish constitution, which empowers the government to take "all measures necessary to compel" a region in case of a crisis.

It would enable Madrid to fire Catalan leaders, and take control of the region's finances, police and public media.

[SunkenCiv]

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[Garth Tater]

“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,"

That is the heart of the matter. People have to right to determine their own form of government and if they are willing to fight, kill and die for what they believe they may actually get to rule themselves as they see fit. No matter how you slice it though, it's none of our damn business.

[SaraJohnson]

I have family there.

[Trump20162020]

This is like Democrats arguing the GOP's big victory in the 2014 midterm didn't count, because of its record low 36.4% turnout.

If you don't vote, your opinion is irrelevant.

[Jacob Kell]

I’ve heard it said that the pro-independence parties actually supported the presence of the migrants for two reasons, basically-one the hope that in return, they’d vote for those parties, and two that they’d be wiling to learn Catalan instead of Spanish. you may be seeing what you want here, assuming that it’ll be like Brexit.

[Enlightened1]

If what you are saying was the case, then there would be no reason to break from Spain. Spain is already doing that. Haha!0

This separation movement is about the migrants changing their culture and their taxes going up to pay for the migrant.

The E.U. And Spain both want the migration. Catalan does not.

For the record, Catalan is not alone. Austria has a problem with it and so does the Check Republic. Countries like Poland and Hungary will not even allow it.

The E.U. are the bad guys here. They want to flood Europe with migrants that do not want to assimilate. Moreover, the migrants do not want to work, collect welfare and lecture everyone in Europe on how their culture should change. This is even though they fled their countries where this culture failed the people.

[Jacob Kell]

Catalan independence is not a new phenomenon. Decades back, there were Communist terrorist groups wanting an independent Communist Catalonia-google Terra Liure, for example.

>If what you are saying was the case, then there would be no reason to break from Spain. Spain is already doing that. Haha!0

I’m just saying what I heard elsewhere here. Anyways, it’s possible that the pro-independence parties may have thought that they’d be able to come to use the migrant to their advantage. Not the first time someone thought that they’d be able to use the Muzzies.

[wardaddy]

It ain’t happening

Spain will send in troops
Think Phillip II or Franco

Contrary to our age of political correctness Spain will not suffer this

No way

[wardaddy]

No kiddding

Ain’t got shit to do with globalism

[wardaddy]

Good question cause if Spain won’t let the Basque who have a stronger claim go then the Catalans sure ain’t leaving without a shot fired

[wardaddy]

40% of all the taxes collected for Spain come from Catalan. They are tired of being told to pay even more taxes for the Migrants who will not even assimilate and go on welfare How is that arrogant?

Wrong its 20 percent not 40.... a bit more than California ratio......and the commie Catalans are not whining about that they actually want more transfer payments from Madrid.....you should choose better heroes

[wardaddy]

Are they arming.......Spain took direct control

I d yet to se armed resistance

Which will lose fast

They ain’t Rebs

[wardaddy]

U ‘mart!

[cornfedcowboy]

Northern vs. Southern Italy could well be the next rift in Europe. The north looks at the south like America views Mexico. Northern Italy has the banks and the engineering/industry. The south? Not so much.

[CodeToad]

I have no idea if they will fight, but I am all for it!