(Liberal wet dream!)
They love anything that restricts or eliminates independence, self reliance and freedom of action.
I was listening to NPR this morning (don’t judge) and they had an electric car story on. Currently EV’s (all electric vehicles) are only 1.5% of the world market. 1.5%.
If even NPR is reporting such low numbers I don’t see any tipping point in the foreseeable future.
(Liberal wet dream!)
They love anything that restricts or eliminates independence, self reliance and freedom of action.
As a recent EV driver...
“concerns about range and infrastructure will ease[?]”
Gasoline cars had the same issues once too. Advances in EV range & infrastructure are improving significantly. Range has increased from 50 to 300+ miles in a few years. Major cities have a viable recharging network now, and growing.
“I’ll take the range problem on any day in my Toyota Tacoma compared to any electric car.”
Most drivers don’t have an EV “range problem”. They commute an in-range distance daily. Even when I did commute farther than my Leaf’s range, there was a charger right there at work, and plenty of time to use it.
Yes, some drivers really do need substantially greater range. There are alternatives, if you’ve noticed. Nobody is saying _everybody_ MUST drive EVs.
“Who’s going to pay for all the infrastructure upgrades to accommodate all the recharging stations?”
In Atlanta (likely the biggest EV market in the US), lots of businesses & retailers installed chargers, as they found it advantageous to facilitate their employees & customers. Heck, a month after I got my EV, my workplace literally installed a charger in my favorite parking spot.
“It’s a hell of a lot quicker to put 20 gallons of gas in your tank than to wait for your car to recharge.”
It’s a lot “quicker” when you’re “topped off” every morning with just a few seconds’ effort. Pull in my driveway, plug in. Next day, unplug and drive away with a full charge. That was usually enough (and just used a normal 110v outlet), chargers were convenient at places I’d spend time at (plug in, go do something I was going to do anyway for an hour). In 2 years of daily use, there was probably just 2 days where I actually had to _wait_ for charging (and that longer than a gasoline refill). With a 300+ mile range, only seriously long trips would require any substantial recharge time, and that would only be about 20 minutes at a time I’d really want to spend 20 minutes out of the car anyway.
The paradigm for “refueling” changed for EVs. It’s rarely a “now I have to recharge/refill” event; most of the time it’s just...ready.
“I predict long lines at recharging stations that no one will put up with.”
There won’t be “recharging stations” a la gas stations. Park & plug in, ready when you come back.
I Still think we need to make more NUKES though, to power these things.
I can see a household with two cars, one electric for commuting to work and the other when you need a real car/truck.
But it won’t be anytime soon.
A new Honda Civic gets 42mpg, is maintenance free for about 100,000 miles other than oil changes and tires. And it will run for at least 200,000 miles.
It will cruise on the hiway at 80mph.
And they cost less than $19,000.
For a darn nice little car.
How does anybody’s electric vehicle exceed that value quotient?
I always marvel at these people who make the quantum jump to electric cars without considering hybrids, which have a brighter future, as a transition.
Do they ever consider wintry/rainy driving with the heater going full bore, defrosters/wipers going, headlamps and radio on? OK, turn off the radio, but the drain is still horrendous.
And then there is the infrastructure problem, as mentioned elsewhere.
Auto industry development cycles are minimum of 6 years so no way are we going to see the end of the gas engine any time soon
Doubt we will ever see complete phase out of combustion engine.
We will see very well integrated hybrids that use regenerative braking and a very efficient small internal combustion engine to keep the battery charged
Very high performance, energy efficiency and smaller battery volume
Driving, for me, is not about going from point A to point B. My car of choice, is a 1960s 500hp manual transmission car that gets about 16 mpg. it does not have ABS brakes or traction control or such.
It makes some noise due to the long tube headers, and it spins the rear tires at times :=)
It burns a lot of gasoline that I happily for.
Driving is the joy of travel, freedom of movement and the thrill of driving a great car that I actively participate in.
EV and driverless cars are not for me.
Yeah, that is why Tesla just announced 700 layoffs.
This plan brought to you by people who think electricity gets to the outlet by magic.
...Consume three times as much energy as the actual "average" household itself - 915 kwh/month of electricity. Numbers from Google.
So -
Better batteries with longer range and more charging stations, while necessary, have little to do with the problem.
Before any large scale replacement can happen, utilities need to ramp up residential electric production by at least threefold. AND, they need to figure out a way to get all of that electricity downstream to the consumer.
Ford and GM can spit out all of the electric cars they want. Won't matter, if they're plugged in and there's no juice.
The ecowackos know that electric cars as the only option will be a societal disaster. Their every initiative is bent towards the goal of reducing the planetary population to around 600 million. Electric cars with low ranges make it impossible to flee very far. None of the electric cars meet the range claims.
Yeah, electric cars are great. Except in the Summer when it’s 105F outside and you’ve got your AC on. How much that that cut down on your mileage?
E cars don’t pay road taxes, so: no roads!
Anyway, China says people will use E cars, so people will use E cars.
Electric cars are not feasible for many necessary tasks. Besides not having range, they suck at hauling and the amount of time needed for charging.
There were times just in the last year where I've made several trips in the same day, each time hauling 1,000 pounds of debris to the dumps in my Nissan truck. No way could an electric handle that, it's charge would be completely depleted trying to just get the vehicle moving. Like you said, I have range and easy refueling in my gasoline powered vehicle... and heavy hauling capability in repeated trips.
Electric vehicles are no-go for this family.
If California and other states get there wish of doing away with the internal combustion engineer, there will be no gas tax revenues from such vehicles as they will not consume diesel or gasoline.
So how are those empires going to be sustained? Mileage tax and GPS monitoring is how they want to transition.
It won’t be until the 2040’s that the electric car recharging infrastructure will be common enough to finally replace the gasoline-powered car.
