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The death of the gas-powered car, in one chart (Liberal wet dream!)
MarketWatch ^ | 10/17/17 | Claudia Assis

Posted on 10/17/2017 10:52:16 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway

A global tipping point for electric cars could come as early as 2022, as battery costs decrease and concerns about range and infrastructure ease. That’s from analysts at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, who in a little over a year’s time have turned even more optimistic about the future dominance of electric cars over internal-combustion vehicles. In a Tuesday note, the analysts forecast that one in three cars will be purely electric by 2030; their July 2016 prediction was one in 10 by the same year. “There are several factors converging that have led us to revise our thinking — a combination of changing customer preferences, increasingly viable product, regulation, and infrastructure,” they said in the note.

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To: wbill
Wikipedia has an interesting entry on Energy Density.

Very interesting.

121 posted on 10/17/2017 11:49:16 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: catnipman
"brief summary fake news of EV issues:"
122 posted on 10/17/2017 11:49:48 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z)
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To: HamiltonJay
They are almost there. Just a 5 minute charge to get to 90% capacity. The question is the range which will depend on lots of variable such as weight, load, and terrain such as hills or flat land.

Toshiba's new fast-charging battery could triple the range of electric vehicles

In just about the same amount of time as it takes to fill up and clean the windshield the new tech can charge up. The problem is really about the batteries themselves. They are made of expensive hard to get cobalt which is mined by child labor. Another company is working on a fix for that. Now if the two could be combined safely; e-cars will likely start becoming more popular. I still think the market should decide and not some government yahoo. Things like this always progress better when allowed to happen organically.

Sodium-ion battery beats lithium for cost effectiveness

123 posted on 10/17/2017 11:49:50 AM PDT by Boomer (The dem party has become the North Korea of American politics; unreasonable, dictatorial, fascist.)
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To: TexasGator

>> 95% of charging is done at home while the driver sleeps.

Plus, that’s during off-peak hours, when base-load production often goes to waste anyway. EVs actually make our power infrastructure more efficient.


124 posted on 10/17/2017 11:49:52 AM PDT by Mike-o-Matic
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To: rdcbn

“Doubt we will ever see complete phase out of combustion engine.”

Likewise for typewriters, film cameras, wired telephones, etc.

...oh, wait, um...

Those all died while I worked at Smith Corona, Kodak, Nortel, etc.


125 posted on 10/17/2017 11:50:41 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Charging a Leaf was about the same as running a hairdryer overnight.


126 posted on 10/17/2017 11:51:28 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: ctdonath2

CRT tvs

Does anyone remember those tube radios in cars?


127 posted on 10/17/2017 11:53:17 AM PDT by TexasGator (Z)
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To: ridesthemiles

I’ve had more problems with the gasoline “grid” failing than electrical.


128 posted on 10/17/2017 11:53:34 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: ctdonath2

Look again at the new Civic, or new Corolla.

Or, the Ford Focus for that matter.

They are nice cars. Relatively stable at high speeds with lots of extras.

These new, cheap cars have me convinced electric is a long ways off for the masses.


129 posted on 10/17/2017 11:55:06 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

The ecowackos know that electric cars as the only option will be a societal disaster. Their every initiative is bent towards the goal of reducing the planetary population to around 600 million. Electric cars with low ranges make it impossible to flee very far. None of the electric cars meet the range claims.


130 posted on 10/17/2017 11:55:07 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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To: TexasGator

Yes but now only by a tiny mimority of the neighborhood. The current undersized neighborhood transformers are not set up to have a significant portion or more charging cars overnight.


131 posted on 10/17/2017 11:56:34 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: robroys woman

“...the dirty little secret about electric They are not “long distance” cars. Yet.”

Don’t forget about HEAT.

Up here in cold country, the “waste heat” from a gas engine does a nice job keeping you toasty in stop & go rush-hour traffic - when the temp is -20°F.

Electric cars? using HEAT =less available drive time/distance.
(imagine the stress of being stuck in traffic with a low battery - and the temp is sub-zero...)


132 posted on 10/17/2017 11:57:14 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Yeah, electric cars are great. Except in the Summer when it’s 105F outside and you’ve got your AC on. How much that that cut down on your mileage?


133 posted on 10/17/2017 11:57:47 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: ridesthemiles

“I invite you to make a trip on I-80 from San Fran to Chicago.”

42 hours: https://abetterrouteplanner.com


134 posted on 10/17/2017 11:58:56 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: meatloaf

THE JETSONS.

Meet Geroge Jetson, His boy Elroy...

Was on Simpsons last night. The Jetsons where on the Simpsons.

Yeah, I have no life.

Freegards


135 posted on 10/17/2017 11:59:09 AM PDT by Uversabound (Might does not make right, but it does enforce the commonly recognized rights of each succeeding gen)
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To: catnipman

No it is half that. Tesla puts them at intersections to save on construction costs. /s


136 posted on 10/17/2017 11:59:12 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Little Pig

“I’ve had to drive that far twice in the past 6 months.”

So rent a car/truck instead.


137 posted on 10/17/2017 11:59:44 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: ctdonath2

1200-1500 watts for 8 hours. Now all houses current loads plus that all night from all houses with two cars because everyone has their own car, those neighborhood transformers never get to cool down overnight.

Thanks for helping support my point.


138 posted on 10/17/2017 12:00:04 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: doorgunner69

The Tesla has brutally high acceleration

A max performance launch in a Tesla has as many gs as an aircraft carrier catapult launch


139 posted on 10/17/2017 12:00:10 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: NorthMountain
That is interesting.

The author of this article would read the Wikipedia post and say, "Well, that's simple. We just need to convert all of our cars over to 'Mr Fusion' units. It worked in 'Back to the Future'...."

I'm actually surprised that the energy density of batteries is as minimal as it is, particularly in comparison with other options.

140 posted on 10/17/2017 12:00:14 PM PDT by wbill
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